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The bogus "Qur'an and 19"

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Dec 21, 2013 at 10:04

Our dear Addeen who lives among kuffar and not among his Arab masters and i wonder why

Yes Harry. Extensive works has been done.

Where? In your dreams may be?

Pls google what I have mentioned in the title.

Well I can read the Qur'an in Arabic something that you cannot do so you tell us where can we kuffar find in the Qur'an anything close to ان الرقم ١٩ معجزة عددية you will not find it

Oh I forgot you do not know any Arabic I mean: Truly number 19 is a miracle of numbers

However. we are told by Muslims that the foundation of this fraud is Q74:30-31 so let us read them

74:30 عليها تسعة عشر or upon it 19

74:31 اما جعلنا اصحاب النار الا ملايكة blah blah blah or we made angels to as the wardens of hell

I do not see anything about your bogus claim that the number 19 is a miracle of numbers or of any kind

Now let us see what al-Tabari says about this little gem

وَقَوْله : { وَمَا جَعَلْنَا أَصْحَاب النَّار إِلَّا مَلَائِكَة } يَقُول تَعَالَى ذِكْره : وَمَا جَعَلْنَا خَزَنَة النَّار إِلَّا مَلَائِكَة . يَقُول لِأَبِي جَهْل فِي قَوْله لِقُرَيْشٍ : أَمَا يَسْتَطِيع كُلّ عَشَرَة مِنْكُمْ أَنْ تَغْلِب مِنْهَا وَاحِدًا ؟ فَمَنْ ذَا يَغْلِب خَزَنَة النَّار وَهُمُ الْمَلَائِكَة . وَبِنَحْوِ الَّذِي قُلْنَا فِي ذَلِكَ قَالَ أَهْل التَّأْوِيل . ذِكْر مَنْ قَالَ ذَلِكَ : 27459- حَدَّثَنِي يُونُس , قَالَ : أَخْبَرَنَا ابْن وَهْب , قَالَ : ثنا ابْن زَيْد , فِي قَوْله : { وَمَا جَعَلْنَا أَصْحَاب النَّار إِلَّا مَلَائِكَة } قَالَ : مَا جَعَلْنَاهُمْ رِجَالًا , فَيَأْخُذ كُلّ رَجُل رَجُلًا كَمَا قَالَ هَذَا .

He is telling us that this number 19 is the number of angels in hell I do not see anything about your silly claim that the number 19 is a miracle it is just the number of angels in hell

So you tell me how come you did not know that? and how come al-Tabari seems to be unaware of your bogus claim that there is something miraculous about the 19 number in the Qur'an?

Why are you not doing your own google search and check on the facts of this lie before you post about it?

But this is not all ignorant Muslims tell us that let us say the basmala in 19 letters and then they build more lies as you shall see so here is their claim

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم and that if you count the letters Bism = 3 and Allah = 4 and al-Rahman = 6 and al-Rahim = 6 or a total of 19

But here is the real disaster the basmala is really

بإسم الله الرّحمان الرّحيم because the rasm is missing the shadda above the reh in both al-Rahman and al-Rahim and the alif in bism and in al-Rahman

So the real basmala is really

بإسم الله الررحمان الررحيم or 23 letters

But this is not the end of it as this is also missing the short vowels

بِإسْمِ الله الرَّحْمانِ الرَّحِيْمِ

So let us count this is a total of 29

What happened to your 19 our dear Addeen? it is 29 now

See? you need to do your home work and stop reading web sites by ignorant Muslims that have no command of the Arabic language and spew their lies and fools like you fall for it

Peace be upon you. (alaikumsalam)

No it is wa 3alaykum al-Salam and do yourself a favor and stick to urdu

I urge you to leave islam and be free from the arabs and their imperialism

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