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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Sep 5, 2010 at 07:34

Islam has three serious problems as it is a proseltizing religion, and it is also a political system, and that islamic theology is based on polemics, which means that it invites close scrutiny and examination of its political and religious messages. and the end result is not very pretty and muslims still do not get it

The good news here is proselitizing religions rise and then they split and then fight the whole world and then they disappear and good riddance but the bad news is it takes lots of work to expose a horrible human idea that is no more than a political ideology with a thin patina of religion and there really is nothing spritual about islam not a thing

Hinduism and Judaism will always be there as they are ethnic religions and are not out to change political systems of to convert the unbelievers and they do not claim that they found the only truth as islam does

Buddhism? It is really more of a way of life than a religion and this is why it will always be there

It makes me wonder how come we here in the US will have no difficulty with a Hindu or Buddhist temple located at the site of the ground zero mosque? Islam? it is a different story

Now back to the fault lines of islam and they are: Islam is not just a religion which is based on polemics as it is also a political system as in Islam deen wa dawla (Islam is religion and state) and there is no separation of one from the other. And i do not see anything wrong in going after bad political idealogy as in going after communism (which also happens to be not just a political system but can be regarded as a religion just like Islam). We infidles must expose that the likes of al-shari3a and dhimmism and the anti-women and anti-non Muslim nonsense that comes with islam and all we are doing is we are telling Muslims what their books say and if they do not like it then they can change their books or get rid of them as you shall see below but in typical Islamic fashion "blame the messenger" and call it islamophobia

As for anti-Islam bloggers and those that spread their message on the internet I cannot think of any one better than Father Zakaria Botros who is a Coptic priest and whose command of Arabic is great and he can read their Islamic sources in Arabic and tell Muslims what these sources say and at times it is really ridiculous as in the case of the breast feeding of the adult tradition or that drinking of the urine of camels and of Muhammad can cure disease. The strange thing is he is very popular in the Arab world and he is not liked by many Muslims and even al-Qa3ida is willing to pay 60M dollars for anyone that would kill him. But can he be refuted? No Muslim so far has been able to refute what he is saying and he also says the same and I'm paraphrasing here: I'm only telling you what your books are saying and if you do not like it then get rid of them (their books)

Muslims had the chance after the 9/11 atrocity to check their holy books and find those doctrines that were responsible for such atrocity and declare them as unislamic as those Islamic terrorists were not acting on their own as their actions must have been insipred by doctrines in Islam. So what did we get from Muslims and even our leaders: Islam is the religion of peace and those terrorists were not acting in the name of Islam. This meant that it becomes our duty to find out how did such atrocity happen and how is it linked to Islam and Muslims just do not like it and our foolish leaders still repeat the same nonsense that islam is the religion of peace

And while we are at it Muslims from Paksitan and India that cannot speak read or write Arabic must stop this nonsense that the word jihad does not mean holy war and that the word islam means peace

Oh the vicitms of islam? It is women and non Muslims and great civilizations that were destroyed by islam but the most significant victims are the non Muslim Arabs like the Pakistanis and Indian Muslims that do not know any Arabic and are regarded by the Arabs as never equal to the Arabs and still they are out to spread the religion of the Arabs and their imperialism and this is really sad

Islam must be exposed for what it is ...

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Diversity is the name of the game [267 words]Mike FranklinJan 23, 2013 14:56202755
3Moderate Muslims [170 words]John NosserOct 13, 2010 15:26179234
9Islam and the message [791 words]dhimmi no moreSep 5, 2010 07:34177695
1Stop the training of Jihad [163 words]SalOct 5, 2010 08:01177695
2Well said [313 words]OlcayJun 23, 2011 18:12177695
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What is the scholarly reference for this claim of yours. [62 words]Bertan AtalayNov 6, 2013 18:05177695
1About Islam : a theory, why NOT? [2624 words]alessandro alboreAug 30, 2010 07:08177448
3Radical Islamic tribalism worse than third reich of Hitler [171 words]Muslimk***Aug 29, 2010 08:24177418
6DILEMMA ! [129 words]Ange Michel MURANGWAAug 26, 2010 20:01177327
78Islam is a matter of concentration [107 words]Big BAug 23, 2010 11:14177146
2Islam is not good for society in any concentration!!! [222 words]JaladhiSep 5, 2010 08:11177146
2And the answer is.... [56 words]yuval Brandstetter MDSep 7, 2010 17:08177146
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1You are hypocrites [84 words]AAASep 10, 2011 05:44177146
6The question is if the fullest form of Islam, Sharia, can co-exist with Secular Law as practiced in the Democratic Western World. [429 words]Isaac HaskiyaAug 23, 2010 07:42177132
2Sharia in action [658 words]Ghulam Muhammed, MumbaiAug 23, 2010 20:46177132
1In the West , freedom comes before religion, Islam included. Good or bad is what you do with it! [355 words]Isaac HaskiyaAug 27, 2010 03:50177132
4Moderate Islam is the solution? [60 words]J PappasAug 22, 2010 11:27177094
8There is no Moderate" Islam - it's only a figment of imagination of Muslim, Muslim apologists, and inteelectual experts!!! [65 words]JaladhiAug 23, 2010 10:09177094
Re: there is no moderate Islam. [63 words]J PappasAug 26, 2010 23:12177094
Moderate Islam [93 words]SanityAug 29, 2010 09:30177094
3There is no moderate Islam - only a figment of imaginatin!!! [369 words]JaladhiAug 29, 2010 15:21177094
5Open your eyes and think for yourself to learn the truth about islam!!! [420 words]JaladhiAug 30, 2010 15:17177094
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3I still say : there is no moderate Islam and no moderate Muslim!!! [199 words]JaladhiAug 31, 2010 18:19177094
2Islam is islam [134 words]btillySep 1, 2010 05:00177094
4Have you forgotten Armenian Genocide committed by "moderate" Muslim Turkey??? [185 words]JaladhiSep 1, 2010 14:29177094
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2A Question [496 words]Ron ThompsonAug 21, 2010 22:47177016
4Understand Our Concern [115 words]Leonard MarkowitzAug 20, 2010 08:43177007
4unsophisticated tone [134 words]rwAug 20, 2010 05:27177004
nuanced solidarity [125 words]Ralph H SidwayAug 19, 2010 19:54176995
2Disappointment [44 words]PezDispenserAug 19, 2010 17:40176989
6Comments on Washington Post article [212 words]Gloria StewartAug 19, 2010 17:33176988
2Oh well, risks of being unsophisticated!!! [50 words]JaladhiAug 24, 2010 19:49176988
4Is There Really a "Middle" on this Issue? [344 words]Ron ThomposonAug 19, 2010 16:01176983
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My vote for Dr. Pipes [41 words]Ghulam Muhammed, MumbaiAug 28, 2010 04:11176982
5my problem with islam is the murder, rape, stealing, and world domination attempts. [46 words]Phil GreendAug 19, 2010 13:24176977
1Maybe we are learning [125 words]Joe Six-PackAug 19, 2010 10:54176974
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3I think there is an element of Islam that WANTS and NEEDs war. [509 words]LynnAug 19, 2010 08:38176965
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complex [189 words]mythAug 19, 2010 07:48176963
3I do not agree with Daniel's concept of possible "evolution" of islam [88 words]zedAug 19, 2010 03:19176953
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1everything is changing and adapting [82 words]baker saresNov 17, 2010 12:59176953
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2The fight for free speech [90 words]Cherif El-AyoutyAug 19, 2010 03:12176952
23Islam vs. "Radical Islam" [823 words]Edward ClineAug 18, 2010 22:29176940
2Islam is all radical!!! [218 words]JaladhiAug 23, 2010 16:41176940
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2Very intelligent post by Edward Cline [256 words]RajeevAug 28, 2010 01:25176940
1Concurrence concerning nature of Islam [148 words]Edward ClineAug 29, 2010 20:37176940
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JohnAug 18, 2010 18:13176925
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2Delusional!!! [82 words]JaladhiAug 23, 2010 09:59176905
2There is No Fear of Islam Where There is the Love of Almighty God of the Bible [671 words]M. ToveyAug 23, 2010 19:20176905
2Islam's Abrahamic heritage [86 words]Ghulam Muhammed, MumbaiAug 23, 2010 19:38176905
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1Stll delusional!!! [76 words]JaladhiAug 24, 2010 20:36176905
reply to Ghulam [118 words]csyAug 25, 2010 02:43176905
4passing judgement on the absurd. [234 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanAug 25, 2010 06:43176905
3A funny thing happened on the way to Israel. [97 words]LynnAug 25, 2010 08:34176905
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4change?? [524 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanAug 29, 2010 02:35176905
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1Understanding. [216 words]LynnAug 31, 2010 08:33176905
1Agreed - Accepting Jesus Christ at His Word is Sufficient - Release the Adultress to Jesus Christ's Judgment [87 words]M. ToveyAug 31, 2010 18:10176905
2Prejudiced vision [96 words]Ghulam Muhammed, MumbaiAug 31, 2010 19:31176905
2absolutely [131 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanSep 3, 2010 04:56176905
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3Political Correctness affecting honest intellectual behavior!! [113 words]JaladhiAug 23, 2010 09:51176903

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