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Defeating the Islam of Muhammad

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Submitted by Lactantius Jr (United Kingdom), Dec 6, 2010 at 20:04

Dear dhimmi no more

Zakaria Boutros is one cool dude, thanks for saying he would agree 100% with me, he and I have the same paradigm, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is indeed the Prince of Peace.

Here in UK recently, our top soldier, General Sir David Richards, the new chief of the defence staff, correctly said that "war" is the correct term for describing the conflict between the West and al-Qaeda and other militant Islamic groups, advising that no mistake be made in realising that the global threat from al-Qaeda and its terrorist affiliates is an enduring one, but incorrect in saying we are engaged in a global struggle against "a pernicious form of Islamic fundamentalism."

The West is indeed engaged in a war, but not a war against what General Sir David Richard's wrongfully describes as a war against "a pernicious form of Islamic fundamentalism." We are at war against the Islam of Muhammad who set the genetic code for Islam, the Islam of Muhammad being documented in Islam's most authoritative documents, the Qur'an, the Sahi Hadith of Bukhari and Muslim, the Sirat literature, especially the Sirat Rasulullah of Ibn Ishaq, the earliest, most comprehensive and most important biography of Muhammad, which provides one of the most important sources of information about Muhammad's life, and the Tar'ikh ('history') of al-Tabari, "who is today recognized as the father of Islamic History, and one of the greatest historians that the world has produced." (http://www.renaissance.com.pk/myletfor95.html )

The Islam of Muhammad is the one described in these documents, they are the sole repository of information on Muhammad, his times, his means, and his mission. The Islam of Muhammad must be as these sources present it, because there is no independent record of Muhammad in history, from which a variant view may be drawn, so what do Islam's most authoritative documents say about Muhammad and his Islam?

First off, it is important to hear what Muhammad is recorded saying of himself, which is documented in the Qur'an,

"Ye have indeed in the Apostle of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah."

Qur'an Surah 33:21

"And verily, you (O Muhammad SAW) are on an exalted standard of character."

Qur'an Surah 68:4

With Muhammad "inking-in" the Islamic claim that he is the exemplar, "the model for all mankind," in the words he spoke during his last sermon on 7th.March 632 AD in Mecca,

"I am leaving you with the book of Allah (the Qur'an) and my sunnah (the life-style and the behavioural mode of the prophet) if you follow them you will never go astray."

And what was Muhammad's life-style and behavioural mode, his Islam, for his followers to emulate? What did he say and do?

"I have been made made victorious with terror"

Sahi Bukhari V4B52N220

"I shall terrorise the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them, because they oppose Allah and his prophet."

Qur'an Surah 8:12

(Muhammad said) "Killing unbelievers is a small matter to us."

At-Tabari IX:69

(Muhammad said) "Paradise lies under the shade of swords"

Sahi Bukhari V4B5N73

"The believers fight in Allah's cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."

Qur'an Surah 9:111

"Muhammad said, 'You are commanded to carry out jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."

Qur'an Surah 47:4

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them, for Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful."

Qur'an Surah 9:5

These are just a few typical extracts from Islam's most authoritative documents, describing the Islam of Muhammad. The use of aggressive violence to further Islam is in harmony with the Islam of Muhammad. Violence was foundational to Islam and remains deeply embedded in it, being copied by Muslims following the example set them by their prophet, which is the problem facing the West today.

The Islam of Muhammad sure aint peaceful and peace-loving, and in order to demonstrate the force of the original text, I have exchanged "Infidel" for "Muslim" "Democracy" for "Islam" and so on, showing just what the Qur'an demands of a Muslim seeking to be faithful to the Islam of Muhammad.

"And slay Muslims wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out…………………..such is the reward of those who suppress democracy."

Qur'an Surah 2:191

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Muslims wherever ye find them. And seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent (accept reason) and establish regular elections and practice regular charity then open the way for them; for the Law is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

Qur'an Surah 9:5

"…….Parliament promises you much booty (spoils of war) that you will capture from the defeated Muslims…….."

Qur'an Surah 48:20

"….Rouse the believers in democracy to the fight, if there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred; if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Muslims, for these are a people without understanding."

Qur'an Surah 8:65

"I will instill terror into the hearts of the Muslims; smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Qur'an Surah 8:12

"Fight those who believe not Parliament nor the constitution, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Parliament or its ministers, nor acknowledge democracy and reason, even if they are good Muslims, until they pay the Poll Tax with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Qur'an Surah 9:29

"Strive against the Muslims. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end."

Qur'an Surah 9:7

"O ye who believe in democracy! When ye meet the Muslims in hostile array, never turn your backs to them,. If any do turn their backs to them on such a day, unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own) he draws on himself the wrath of Parliament, and his abode is hell, an evil refuge (indeed)!"

Qur'an Surah 8:15-16

"O you who believe in democracy! Take not Muslims as your advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends. Since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed, We have made clear to you the constitution, if you understand. Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Laws i.e. you believe in the democracy and the Freedom, while they disbelieve in Reason. And when they meet you, they say, 'We believe.' But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage……….."

Qur'an Surah 3:118-120

What do these sort of commands mean in the 21st.century? do they and the book they came from have any place in the modern world?

I realise that many Muslims are following a different religion than the Islam of their prophet Muhammad, and readily agree that not all Muslims are Islamic terrorists, and for this I am truly thankful, they are in fact, living very much better lives than that of Muhammad, who was in fact, the archetypal Islamic terrorist, and whilst it will be as difficult in the USA as it is here in UK to know accurately what the percentages are, suppose that only 1% of US Muslims believe in emulating the Islam of Muhammad, and assuming the number of Muslims in the US is 5 millions, doing the math means there are 50,000 Islamic terrorists, that is, 50,000 religiously motivated Muslims, following the sunnah of Muhammad and the teaching of the Qur'an, and prepared to use violence of a very offensive nature in order to extend the rule and dominion of Islam!!!

Drawing to a close, I seek to point away from myself and towards Who I'm absolutely convinced is the way we can live in peace with one another, commenting that it has been so well said that the massive difference between the gospel of grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Islam of Muhammad, is that the nearer one gets to Jesus Christ, His teaching and the example of His life, the more peaceful and peace-loving one will be, whilst the further away from His teaching and the example of His life one is, the less peaceful and peace-loving one will be, and comparing/contrasting this with the Islam of Muhammad, the nearer one gets to the Islam taught and practiced by Muhammad, the more violent and murderous one will be, whilst the further one is from the Islam taught and practiced by Muhammad, the less murderous and the more peaceable one will be. That's some difference isn't it? and at the time of 911, then then US Attorney General, John Ashworth showed he knew much more about Islam than his President, by saying, "The fundamental difference between Christianity and Islam is that the God of the Bible sent His Son to die for us, whilst Allah, the god of the Qur'an, requires Muslims sons to die for him," and that's some difference isn't it? but the Christian church has to waken up and get about the commission given it by the Lord Jesus Christ. He alone is the One Who can bring peace to this world. He is the Prince of Peace. He is the exemplar. He is the sinners all-sufficient saviour. He is the redeemer, He is…………………..yes He is, I wish I could describe Him to you dhimmi no more, but He's indescribable!!

With kind regards and best wishes

Lactantius Jr.

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