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Submitted by sara (United States), Sep 22, 2009 at 18:38

Ayah,

I had to respond to this factually inaccurate and obviously deeply biased comment. Before I rebut each point you made, please do yourself a favor if you truly believe in fairness, truth and reality and try to get your information (and hopefully not other's opinions or false statements) from unbiased sources or at the very least look at both Muslim and Jewish/Israeli accounts of history and events. I try to do the same and keep an open mind, Otherwise, we might as well be living on 2 different planets with 2 very different realities.

First, your claim that Israel slaughtered ... "the sabra and shatila massacres of 1982 when palestinian women,men ,children were slaughtered,pregnant womens unborn children were killed .its been 27 years since these masscares and nobody was held accountable or punished for them. ..."

The slaughterers were never Israelis. No one has ever claimed that Israeli people murdered or touched nay of the camp members. They were brutally slain by Phalangists:

A relatively unbiased source, Wikipedia notes the following: The Sabra and Shatila massacre (or Sabra and Chatila massacre; ...) was a massacre of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians carried out between September 16 and 18, 1982 by the Lebanese Forces Christian militia group, following the assassination of Phalangist leader and president-elect Bachir Gemayel. The Israeli Defense Force (IDF), in control of Beirut, surrounded Beirut's Palestinian refugee camps, then allowed Lebanese Phalangist militiamen to enter two of these refugee camps, Sabra and Shatila. The exact number killed by the Phalangists is disputed, with estimates ranging from 328 to 3,500.[2]

So what is in dispute is the degree of responsibility of the IDF in intervening in the raid by Lebanese Christiian militias who were reacting to the assasination of their leader by the Muslims. Israel, being a democratic, responsible and moral country,thoroughly inevestigated their role in the atrocity and reached the conclusion that Ariel Sharon, had an INDIRECT partial personal responsibility and he was forced to resign as Defense minister as a result.
Please tell me where Israel did anything but completely correct actions here. I dare you to challenge this. Read the FACTS.

Second, your claim that "the seperation wall that was built to seperate Gaza from the west bank which violates all kinds of humanitarian laws as 85% of the wall is illegal."

Perhaps you need to be reminded why Israel has been forced to invest so many financial and material resources to build the wall. Why do you think they are building it? Would you like to hazard a guess? Could it be that they are determined to prevent more suicide bombers form blowing up innocent Israelis at random? Could it be that it is actually working, and that the rate of bombs have decreased dramatically since they built it and it serves as a security fence to keep Israeli people safe. Furthermore, if you want to talk about illegal and humanitarian laws, how about spreading the blame to the bombers and terrorists. They are breaking laws every time they try to murder and maim and terroirize Israelis in their homes.

I will not even go into the Lebanon war since I have seen too many falsified body counts, especially at Qana which was proven to be caused by Hezbullah terror cells living among the innocent villagers. Aren't you SICK AND TIRED of terrorists using innocent civilians to hide among? How many times do you see them firing missiles from schools, mosques, residences, neighborhoods, sending children in front of them to do their dirty work. If you want proof of this, I can find some videos to show you. real footage.

Please try to listen to reason and not your local imam or hate breeding fanatic. You are a new generation as I am. Don't let them teach you to hate. We have to put a stop to this and see things as they are, not how we are told they are.

Regards,

sara


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