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in response to reader comment: Buy the book, for the economy's sake!

Submitted by Silicondoc (United States), Feb 5, 2008 at 08:38

Well, I think you just decided to pull a big fat critical swipe, I'm not convinced you read the book at all, in fact I do not believe you have, nor do I believe you bought it, especially with that smart aleck remark about the economy.

I see the one driving force is whining about the changing meaning of words - with just more spewing references about nothing, mostly centered on returning to a primitive interpretation and claiming dictionary - strict writing as the prize idea that destroys all others, the intellectual superiority prize, as if that makes the cake for "one's position". ( It does not, not ever.)

Liberals often claim to me, that fascism is the melding or joining of corporations and government, then they claim they want to have the government takeover the corporations spots, and be the new corporation government for the people, minus the "illegal profits which are unpaid wages" "stolen from the workers". So, if you take their words seriously, the government's "products" will cost just as much as the corporations, but they'ell take the excess profits and "pay the government workers" with them. I must say, no doubt that is much of what this new deal welfare state of lifetime government workers all over the place has brought us, and they are very well paid, with huge pensions and benefits, and have much power in the political machines.

I don't find anything wrong with the idea presented behind the book, and find that somehow the left convinces itself (or tries to convince toerhs) that all is well and good if they do it (but noone else may - morally, legally, or even constitutionally), and none of it ever has a bad consequence, or can recieve a bad label (so unfair and dishonest, supposedly), despite the very clear outcomes and very clear similarities in what the left actually has done, and with what they claim to be against. " For profit corps and the gov worknig together=bad, corporate gov lib controlled and profits "lib distributed" = good - WHAT A CROCK.

If the necon or conservative right wants to meld corporations into the government for their "fascist state", one can easily see the left wants to takeover the corporations to mold them into the government for their " new kind of fascist state". In the prior, the compliant is, the corporations are running the government, in the latter, the complaint is, the government is running the entire naton. I think it's more than very clear to me which one is total government control over everything, and for me to dream there won't be gigantic thieves in the government running of everything, is to pretend 2 trillion never disppeared from HUD and the MIC, 1T each, "discovered" not so long ago, nor that 3 TRILLION going on 4 T isn't gone from the SS "lockbox" of IOU's Al Giore stole from then whined about, but never REPAID.

I probably won't buy the book, but I sure won't discount it's ideas - since I NEVER hear a good argument against them , it surely seems, even now. I was hoping to, but as usual, my disappointment remains.

I was decieved by this new progressive spin machine for far too long, and I won't easily accept their "opinions" declared as pure fact because "they are good" - anymore, and pretend to be unaware of what they are doing, while still remembering what they have done. NO WAY. It must be logically and definitely explained with the largest bearing of reasonable assimilation of all known informations - coinciding with the normal, sane, amassed conclusions from the same, based upon common life experience, not some magical "we're good they are evil" bullhockey ( which is what the very same liberals whine about concerning Bush's WOT stance-) - See, I cannot even stop with the massive pointing out of the utter hypocrisy of the left progressives and democrats in general. None of their arguments seem to wind up supporting their other major current "positions" - because those "positions" are lies, probably because the fascist tendencies in them have long ago decided "any lie for the party and our control of the state and the people is acceptable, since "we are good and they are evil" - "we MUST win"- "at any cost."

If the left isn't nascent fascism in quite a dressed up and deceptive flavor, candy coated as a "love and caring" edifice....with a populist marxist message as a cover, I don't know how I can possibly accuse republicans of it.

The arguments I hear otherwise " But the dems don't support corporations" ( PURE BS ), and " The rip-off-icans are the party of rich fatcats, not us" ( PURE BS ), just don't cut it.

Neither does " we are for the little guy and they are not". The dems are for the defeated person, the parasite, or so they claim, until they tell us the loser has been crushed by evil cons, and it is never, ever, their own doing, it is pure victimhood the dem government of total control and fascism must "pay for".

Let's face it, the DEMS got the SS FICA tax on every lowly worker in the entire USA, not the cons. The DEMS push all those sical manipulation taxes on the poor and downtrodden ( smoking, car fees, drivethrough food fees, they add up endlessly on the poor's very dollars for survival, at an enourmous PERCENTAGE of their income), not the cons.

I know better than what the real fascist liars spreach. Evidence in the USA surrounds all of us.

The real counterargument is: " But we got them their welfare benefits from the state!" - well, okay, that I won't argue for the most part, but the dems surely as well took in large portion from them, to pay for it, and from the rest of the workers (in the form of -or termed as "excess profits" - which according to the very same really belongs directly to the workers, not their gigantic government bloated machine of "fair redistribution".

I'm sorry, the progressives need a new argument, but the leviathan of government is too big for one, anymore.

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