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Submitted by Leonid Kaplun-Leonov (United States), Jun 1, 2007 at 16:17

I see that my poor English did not allow me to describe some things clear enough. Let me try different way.

I worked at Middle East around September 11. I saw (directly and on their TV) huge, multi-thousand celebrations. They burned American flags and congratulated each other. They were giving candies to children on the streets. People who worked with me (educated, pretending to look cultured and broadminded) of course did not express their joy monkey style, but they were obviously happy. Since they new I am Russian (as you know Soviets supported Arabs for many years) – they were relaxed and sincere with me. Nobody even bothers to make worried face and to say so called "condemnation" - "You know, this is all because of wrong American policy…" – as they do it on American TV.

What also stunned me, the very same people (with engineering degrees, seemingly logical!) in the midst of their joy sometimes said things like "Americans did it themselves!" or "Jews did it! Nobody of them came to the Towers that day!" So, maybe something was stirring on the bottom of their conscience?

By the way, American media (both your ‘Lefts" and "Rights") were more than shy on reports about these demonstrations. Together with both Clinton and Bush administrations they continue searching for non-existent black cat in a dark room – "moderate Muslim majority".

To describe the whole my impression, I must mention that I grew up in the family that was harshly critical (to say the least) to Jews. (It was and still is common to about 80 % of Russians). And we were pretty favorable to Muslims because Soviet Muslims were quiet, not pretentious minority. As a student in Moscow, I enthusiastically participated in demonstrations to support the Arabic cause, participated in assembly and shipment to Egypt old Soviet fighters after they lost all their Air Force during "Six Days War".

Years later I came to the US and started traveling all over the world. I can not find words to describe my horror (and pain – it is not easy to change views at later years – even if all your life you pray only gods of facts and logics) when I started working in the Middle East. To say – disappointment – is to say nothing.

Now - just small notes.

- Do not use Muslim immigration to the US as a proof that "they DO NOT hate America", it is laughable. Any immigration to the US is not the sign of affection to the US, it is a sign of affection to hefty (and frequently free) lunch. In my Russian community in Midwest I see plenty of old folks (I stress – old, young are different) who worked hard to immigrate here, and now, having almost free apartments, free food and free medicine from American government, they blame and curse America, proudly recalling how they helped to fight Americans in Korea, Vietnam etc…

- I did not mean Muslims hate America because girls here "go almost naked". Their hate consists of several things. The first is envy – common for many other nations. The second is teaching from their Koran – to hate "unfaithful". (I recommend you to read it yourself – and not from their translation: this religion calls not only to hate other people, but also cheat them). You may say – Koran is centuries old, why is the splash of hate now? And why mostly in Arabic nations?

The answer is – because Arabs created the most restrictive society. Their youngsters can not, unlike Malaysian or Brunei, escape for an evening and go dancing to nearby Christian village. In the past they did not see different life and endured their misery. About 20 years ago contacts with other countries increased, and – most important - vivid images of foreign life appeared on TV in every home. It was like gas on smoldering fire, "almost naked girls" being the most burning issue.

There are two ways to react to neighbor's prosperity: the first is - " I also want such life! I will work hard to have the same!" (Oriental nations went this way.) The second way – to declare that the neighbor is a devil, a crook, etc. This is normally the reaction of people who subconsciously feel that they are not capable to compete. You are loosing a chess game? Kick the chess board! Arabs are not alone. Unfortunately some of my Russians in Russia are the same, some Latinos etc… With some small difference: these two do not have the encouraging summons of Koran. Or… May be 77 virgins are still not enough for them to target innocent people?

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truth about such events [31 words]haytMar 24, 2011 16:23183583
1well said [2 words]allahNov 19, 2007 07:30114005
Islamic Schools [192 words]WarwickDec 20, 2007 06:49114005
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Simple Question- Will students recite pledge of allegiance every morning? [58 words]BrianJun 25, 2007 08:18101001
Good question [61 words]NuraOct 11, 2008 23:38101001
Why Aren't Jewish Leaders Being More Vocal In Their Opposition To This School [42 words]RuvainJun 9, 2007 21:4197158
Travails of Brooklyln's Arabic Academy [312 words]BarbaraJun 4, 2007 19:1696025
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To georget: A [68 words]PlatoJun 4, 2007 23:0595995
Several more words from a witness (to Mrs. O'Neill etc.) [784 words]Leonid Kaplun-LeonovJun 1, 2007 16:1795688
Thank you, Leonid [135 words]JeffJun 3, 2007 11:1295688
Be efficient : be primitive. [176 words]Raymond31May 30, 2007 10:1995329
Arabic High School [84 words]FrummerMay 28, 2007 10:4995012
NO PUBLIC FUNDED MADRASSA [257 words]DanMay 31, 2007 15:4795012
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college kids taught islam in college courses [160 words]DanJun 27, 2007 18:0695012
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Will Saudi Arabia , Pakistan , Iran , Syria allow us to build Christian Churches and Jewish Yeshivas ?? [50 words]MapuMay 27, 2007 14:0594645
AMERICANS.... [38 words]Samson BellJun 5, 2007 11:2394645
We already have chuches, Christian Schools and other religions's worship places! [448 words]Muahmmad Tariq DogarJun 22, 2007 01:5494645
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1reply [26 words]NuhNov 26, 2011 05:5094645
War of Words [490 words]M. ToveyMay 25, 2007 20:4094604
INCREDIBLE! [37 words]J. Victor CardooMay 25, 2007 17:0994503
Stop this School of Arab Islamist Propaganda and Hate before its too late ! [57 words]DavidMay 26, 2007 02:0794503
J. Victor Cardoo [31 words]RyanMay 26, 2007 17:4494503
GODLESSNESS [60 words]J. Victor CardooJun 4, 2007 17:0394503
Just words from a witness (to Mrs. O'Neill and other participants) [638 words]Leonid Kaplun-LeonovMay 24, 2007 18:2594293
1From Morrocco to Malaysia , I had the similar experience of Islamism . [242 words]SukhaniMay 26, 2007 02:2194293
Reply to mr. Leonid [119 words]Julie O'NeillMay 29, 2007 14:0094293
question to ms o'neill [26 words]garyMay 29, 2007 19:4294293
1Julie O'Neill are you an Islamist posing as a westerner ?? [137 words]ShaateerMay 30, 2007 01:5494293
more brainwashing for julie [74 words]susanMay 30, 2007 14:2094293
2Susan , Be careful , Imam may give " Death Fatwa " and call for a " Jehad" against you and your country . [164 words]MuriJun 1, 2007 04:5494293
Our dear Julie al-tabligheeia declares that we infidels can also get 70 virgins in heaven and her bogus Arabic [76 words]dihmmi no moreJun 3, 2007 16:5594293
proof for gary [49 words]Julie O'NeillJun 4, 2007 14:2494293
to Shaateer [35 words]Julie O'NeillJun 4, 2007 14:3094293
What proof? [56 words]dhimmi no moreJun 4, 2007 20:0694293
Dah? really? Our dear Julie (sic) and your credibility is on the line! [18 words]dhimmi no moreJun 4, 2007 20:0994293
To Muhammad alias Julie,some news for you! [38 words]MosheJun 6, 2007 10:0294293
give me a break [58 words]garyJun 6, 2007 19:0594293
Agree with Moshe 1000 % ; You are right. [300 words]IndianJun 7, 2007 10:5294293
Muri: yeah, it's soo obvious that muslims are peaceloving...HA! [134 words]tootfairyJul 7, 2007 20:4394293
muslims the most tolerant poeple [64 words]dealisJun 21, 2008 11:0094293
palestinian muslim guy agree with Moshe 10000000 %. [129 words]Israel_ServantFeb 19, 2009 13:0494293
Put Them To The Test [96 words]lindaMay 23, 2007 23:2094131
Islamic School will transfom innocent kids into generation of suicide bombers soon. [106 words]NariMay 26, 2007 02:2794131
Americans Need To Be Shown [119 words]lindaMay 26, 2007 16:0094131
Use the power of live and print media to create awareness about threats of Islam in USA. [245 words]NariMay 27, 2007 03:0794131
Media Is Owned By Islamist-Sympathizers [225 words]lindaMay 28, 2007 13:1394131
We need to stand together and united against Islamism [365 words]MorrisMay 29, 2007 09:3194131
Focus [383 words]lindaMay 29, 2007 19:2294131
to Linda on media [63 words]ASJun 4, 2007 14:4994131
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For European (sic) and his bogus command of history [205 words]dhimmi no moreJun 3, 2007 17:2494114
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Morris' reply to my post [393 words]BarbaraMay 26, 2007 16:3794070
Nip the problem in the bud [398 words]MorrisMay 27, 2007 02:5894070
to Moris and Barbara, start a signature campaign [36 words]ASJun 4, 2007 15:1094070
start petition online and signature campaign to stop building any Mosque , Madrassa , Islamic Centre , Muslim School in West [33 words]GuruJun 7, 2007 10:5694070
I don't get it [78 words]Anne LiebermanMay 23, 2007 07:2994058
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to ryan [247 words]garyMay 30, 2007 16:0694052
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION [167 words]annaApr 30, 2008 07:0494052
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Julie O'Neill's misguided fantasies [139 words]Mel LarawayMay 25, 2007 12:5493992
Julie, they taught you sanitized islam at Berkeley [365 words]NaziaMay 25, 2007 19:1693992
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julie......ISLAM, the fastest growing religion in US? ...think again.. [518 words]Joe Schmoe USAMay 26, 2007 02:1893992
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