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Hind Samy

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Submitted by JustMe (United States), Mar 25, 2006 at 03:20

1 & 2) Discovered in 1947 by a Bedouin shepherd boy, the Dead Sea Scrolls are the most famous and important find in the history of biblical archaeology. The discovery, excavations and resulting research has confirmed and helped ensure the reliability of the Old Testament text found in modern translations of the Bible.

Ellen Herron curator was surprised to discover just how accurately current Bible translations have preserved the text found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Over thousands of years, she said the text has stayed so true.

3) No offense taken. It's your choice to reject His sacrifice. It's your choice to deny that he even suffered on the cross as Islam teaches.

4) Here you go again:

Your quote, "Matthew 10:34-36 (New International Version)
34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw—
36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'[a]

You said, "I'm no saying Jesus (pbuh) was bad or a killer - I'm just saying that sometimes, even in the Bible - it's not just about love - there are times when more severe measures are spoken of."

My response:
Jesus didn't carry a sword, Hind Samy. Come on. He's talking about his 'Word'. He didn't want his disciples to think everything was going to be all peachy and rosy after he had come and gone. He knew there would be civil dissention following the preaching of the gospel. The Gospel is the ‘sword' of the Spirit which separates a man from his former principles and practices and sets men apart from one another, even the nearest relations.(daughters/mothers, etc.)
Nor did Jesus behead people.

5) I think you ARE trying to make God look bad by your "how nice, how merciful, and how kind" comments you narrated through your list, but that's just my opinion.

6) Song of Songs 4:1-16 Sins of the flesh? Okay. I can see this would be impossible to debate this with you, but you're making me think you're probably a bit prudish and may possibly be wearing a burka at this moment.

The Book of Ezekiel
Chapter 23 Ezekiel's prophecy before the capture and destruction of Jerusalem. The message was Israel must repent and return to the Lord, or be destroyed. He's reviewing their abominations before God and the necessity of God's judgment and the destruction of Jerusalem.

The apostacy of Israel and Samaria from God, ver. 1 - 8.
Their ruin, ver. 9, 10.
The apostacy of Judah and Jerusalem from God, ver. 11 - 21.
Their ruin, ver. 22 - 35.
The joint wickedness of them both, ver. 36 - 44.
And their joint ruin, ver. 45 - 49.

23:2 Two women - Judah, and Israel, two kingdoms. (get it? the two women are Judah and Israel?)
23:3 Whoredoms - Idolatry.
23:4 Aholah - That is, his own tabernacle; for Israel falling off from the house of David, fell off from the tabernacle, or temple of God; so that all the temple they had was of their own making. The elder - Greater for number of tribes, and for power, wealth, and for multitudes of people. Aholibah - That is, my tabernacle in her: the two tribes had the temple of God with them. Mine - By solemn marriage - covenant. Bare sons - Were fruitful and brought forth children to me; they increased in numbers of people; and among these, some there were that were children of God by faith, love, and obedience.
23:5 Played the harlot - United in idolatry, with the Assyrians. Mine - When under my government, and protection.
23:6 Horsemen - Skillful in riding, and well furnished with choice horses.
23:7 With all - Other nations, with whom she had commerce.
23:10 Discovered - Stript her naked, and exposed her to shame. Took her sons - Captives. Slew her - The kingdom of Israel, under Hoshea, was by Salmanesar utterly destroyed. They - The Assyrians, had executed God's just displeasure upon her.
23:15 Girded - With soldiers belts, which includes the rest of the habit of soldiers. In dyed attire - Both rich, comely, large, and of divers colours. Princes - Of princely aspect and majesty.
23:17 Alienated - She grew weary of the Chaldeans.
23:18 Discovered - Made it appear to all, far and near.
23:19 By - Remembering her idolatries in Egypt, her alliance with it in days past, which she now resolved to act over again.
23:20 Paramours - The nations, that were confederate with the Egyptians.

7) We already discussed and understand this one.

8) You said, "I am not assuming anything is the work of God - in fact I believe many things were changed in the Bible and it is for this precise point I don't believe many of it is the work of God. Example: the rape mentioned in some of the verses - when this man offers his daughter and comcubine to the men to "do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing" then he kills her and rips her to shreds, does this sound to you what God would expect of His people? It sounds very warped to me."

My response:
You are referring to Judges 19:22-29. The Book of Judges records the period after the Israelites had entered the Promised Land. During this 300+ period of time, God's people did whatever seemed right to them. They broke their covenant with God, associated with pagan people, married them, and worshiped their idols. They were then conquered by wicked nations, and in their misery recognized their foolishness and repented before God. Mercifully, He would forgive them and raise up a righteous ruler, or judge, to lead them back to freedom. This cycle of peace, sin, bondage, repentance, and deliverance occurred repeatedly, for God gave twelve judges in all. Judges shows man's nature and God's mercy and patience every time man turns from his wicked ways and repents. It's like a model of God's plan for a Final Deliverer, the once-and-for-all Savior who will hear the cries of the repentant heart and bring deliverance from the misery of sinful choices--Jesus.

One of the examples of the rampant sin occurs in the city of Gibeah. There were perverted men (19:22-25) who, like the men of Sodom, wanted to have homosexual relations with a man. Clearly, the city of Gibeah was filled with immorality and violence. However, not only were the men of Gibeah wicked, but also the old man and the Levite whose hearts were so cold that they were willing to give up defenseless women to brutal abuse (Judges 19:24). After the men had brutally raped the concubine and killed her, the Levite divided her into twelve pieces, one piece for each tribe (19:29). In doing so, he sought to bring together all twelve tribes of Israel for a court hearing of this matter.

9) It was a retroactive sacrifice. Accepting Jesus Christ, Son of God, as a prophet or a peace-loving man just isn't the same. That's something the Muslims and Jews will have to work out in the end.

I agree. We all are brothers and sisters, even the non-believers. And I suppose 'Dad' would like us to get along. =)


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