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Submitted by superwoman (Denmark), Feb 24, 2009 at 07:07

"Why would Bukhari who spent his life in checking the authenticity of hadiths lie.Why would Imam Tabari , the earliest muslim mfassir waste his time, why would the world follow tafsirs of Ibn Khatir and Maududi , and Suyuti's asbab e nuzool which are all hadith based".

This is completely besides the point, since Bukhari, Moslem, Tabari etc. only lived 150-200 years after the prophet. There is NOTHING that can be 100% confirmed since he never meat, ate, prayed with the prophet. ( An argument that the scolars and imams have no problem putting forth when it comes to the people that wrote about Jesus Christ, yet I've never seen them applying the same principles to the hadith without resorting to circular reasoning. In other words( "these hadith are authentic because it says so")

I'm not saying that ALL the hadith are per definition false, but unless we can actually make a telephone call to the prophet and ask him wheather it was Ali or Omar that was supposed to lead the umma, we are clearly following conjecture.

You said: "Why would Imam Tabari , the earliest muslim mfassir waste his time, why would the world follow tafsirs of Ibn Khatir and Maududi , and Suyuti's asbab e nuzool which are all hadith based".

I don't think they wasted their time at all. I'm sure that the that the clergy today appreciates the fact that they now have an excuse to bend the laws of the quran any way they like, (ex. stoning , killing peacefull apostates) who is nowhere to be found in the quran) and releif the people from the burden of evaluating and doing the thinking for themselves, by simply declaring the magic words. "The prophet said" They have made an ultimate strawman out of him, yet they complain about it, when islamcritics use the same sources to voice their opinions. The cartoon crisis was merely a symptom of that.

The quran talks about different groups of people when narrating different stories, and when I look at Surah Ibrahim and think about the cartoon or teddy bear crisis, I have to be honest with myself and conclude that the only group of people that is worthy of being compared with the raging mob that persecutes Abraham are todays muslim.

Interestingly enough the muslim respons to the crisis was " We don't insult YOUR idols" (....so why insult ours??) which clearly proves the point. Because why would they seek priviliges that idolworshippers seek with muslims if prophet muhammed hasn't been the result of idolatry??!!

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YUSUFALI: Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins
Qyran also says:
033.021
PICKTHAL: Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day," Aya 68.4 says:
YUSUFALI "And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character".

Did the possibility never occur to you that Allah was adressing his contemporaries, since it's not possible on our part to so, except with the accordance with the scolars, through the hadith??? Do you mean to tell me that God would give the privilege of the first generation of muslims to have a real live version of the man whom he sent, and let all the other generations depend on sahih bukhari and muslim to lead us to the path of salvation?? Because wheather you like it or not that is the implication.

Quran:

4.82

Why do they not study the Quran, had it been from other than Allah, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.

( which is certainly the case for Bukhari)

15:9 Absolutely we have preserved the reminder (Quran), and absolutely We will preserve it.

41:41-42

" Those who reject the Qurans proof when it came to them, have also rejected an hourable book. No falsehood could enter it, in the past or in the future, a revelation from a Most -wise, praiseworthy.

6.19

"Say: Whose testemony is the greatest? Say God's. He is the witness between me and you that THIS QURAN (not quran and sunna) has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches...."

4.105

" We have SENT DOWN to you the scripture ( not hadith, nor "sunnah") in order to judge among the people in accordance with what GOD has shown you. You shall not side with the betrayers."

( was the hadiths sent down to Bukhari, since the quran is the last revelation, and prophet muhammed is the "seal of the prophets")

18.27

" You shall recite what is revealed to you of your LORDS scripture. NOTHING shall abrogate his words, and you shall find NO OTHER SOURCE BESIDE IT".

What part of " no other source" besides it do you people not understand?

12.111....this is NOT FABRICATED HADITH; this Quran confirms all the PREVIOUS scriptures, provides the details of EVERYTHING, this is a beacon and mercy for those who beleive" .

6.22

" On the day when we summon them all, we will ask the idolworshippers: Where are the idols you set up? Their disatreous respons will be. " By God our LORD, we never were idolworshippers". Note how they lied to themselves, and how the idols ( Bukhari/ Muslim,Tabari etc...) that they have invented, have abandonned them"

6.112-117 " We have permitted the enemies of every prophet-humans and jinns- to inspire in each other FANCY WORDS in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done so. You shall disregard them AND THEIR FABRICATIONS. This is to let the minds of those who do not beleive in the hereafter listen to such FABRICATIONS and thus expose their real convictions.

Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. NOTHING shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

If you obey the MAJORITY OF PEOPLE on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.

Your Lord is fully aware of those who stray off His path, and He is fully aware of those who are guided.

HE has DETAILED for you what is prohibited for you, unless you are forced.

6.119. ....."Indeed, many people mislead others with their PERSONAL OPINIONS, without knowledge. Your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors".

[6:124] When a powerful proof comes to them, they say, "We will not believe, unless we are given what is given to GOD's messengers!" GOD knows exactly who is best qualified to deliver His message. Such criminals will suffer debasement at GOD, and terrible retribution as a consequence of their evil scheming.

6.38 ....We did NOT leave ANYTHING out of this book.

Quran 50.45] "We know best what they say, and you are not one to compel them; therefore remind him by means of the Quran who fears My promise."

12:40] "You do not worship beside Him except innovations that you have made up, you and your parents. GOD has never authorized such idols. All ruling belongs to GOD, and He has ruled that you shall not worship except Him. This is the perfect religion, but most people do not know.

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