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No more paranoia please... Just sober Islamic common sense instead ...
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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jan 30, 2007 at 16:16

Olivier wrote :

> What is all this debate around the so called muslim or arab domination of France ?

A few innocent forecasts based on some hard facts on the ground. Do you never do that ?

> Do you live in France ? Where ?

I don't but there are enough contributors and persons I know who do.

> How do you feel living next to people that are not christians like you ?

I am not a Christian , dear friend. I like buddhists, Jews, Christians and anyone except Muslims. I am not tired of my life as a free man , you know. Submission is not for me.

>I really wonder.

> I'm french, 34, and I moved from the mostly white and catholic Brittany to the southeast alps, where a large population of various immigrants live.

Do you prefer to enjoy life - as a hedonist - or rather you trouble yourself from time to time to imagine a more distant future given the present trends ?

As to immigrants we're talking only about Muslim immigrants.

> And I really love this. There's no claims in these populations to impose the charia, at the contrary, they're conscious to have in France laws and rights that are far better than any place they have lived before.

Did they tell you that ? And you of course believed them as you love them so much that you couldn't hurt their sensibilities by suspecting them of double talk ?

If I were you I would express my surprise about how they can call themselves "Moslems" any longer . Sharia is Allah's legislature and if they say that the French law is better than sharia , then they either denigrate and belittle Allah - the author of sharia - or they are making fool of you , dear friend . No true Moslem can say in earnest what you imply is the general opinion of Moslems in France.

Anyway , did your Moslems spare you car in the riots or was it devastated and burnt down by some "youths" ?

> Moreover, most of comments refer to muslims and arabs as if they were synonyms.

I didn't notice that. I noticed however that almost all contributors are aware of the sad fact that a Moslem is closer to a Moslem - even from a wrong sect - than to a kaffir (non-Moslem). Will you agree ?

> But it's definitely not : In iran and iraq, a part of the population is persian. Persians are not arabs, worse, they are caucasians according to the ethnic us classification.

Arabized Indoeuropeans. They don't even know who Herodotus was and think that all their history before their enslavement by the Arabs was just part of the global jakhilya.

> And in Lebanon, arabs are not all muslims. A friend of mine is married to a 'marronite', a lebanese arab of christian faith - remember that lebanon was a creation of France, for this christian minority, in the middle of the XXth century. And, coming to palestine, a part of its population is also christian ! Don't you remember Yassr Arafat was christian too ?

How do you mean? It's absurd and impossible ! His mother was a cousin to the grand mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin al-Huseini , a friend to Adolf Hitler. He was a Moslem and if he had apostasized to Christianity his Moslem brethren would have killed him as it is decreed by shari'a.

> He even attended the christmas mass each and every year,

Attending masses didn't make a Christian of him. It was a propaganda trick he applied to mislead the public opinion of his real intents and beliefs.

> and the Fatah, its movement, is a secular movement.

So the reason why they hate the Jews is not just a few hateful passages in the Noble Quran ? They are secular Jew-haters in contrast to religious Jew-haters ...

> So please, France is quiet, and serene.

OK. I have already forgotten the French intifada of 2005. But I just wonder when a second one will come ? As soon as Moslems in France reach 15 % , whereas with 20-25% I expect a third major intifada in France ... With 30-40% a Great Islamic Revolution - so to say a counterpart of the Great French revolution of 1789 will shake France and this continent. With their rat-like reproductivity they'll reach a critical mass within a few decades.

> We don't need your 'War Against Terrorism' rhetoric.

Why should you French need it with your submission and dhimmitude mentality , your imaginary moral superiority and intellectual arrogance ? A country that once produced Voltaire and the Enlightment is now degraded to appease and extoll the most backward and primitive and nonsensical doctrine ever excogitated by the human brain and which is the complete contradiction of a most humble enlightment thought !

> We don't need to be afraid of our neighbours, their religions or their cultures. Benjamin Franklin said this, and we've made it ours now : "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."

Have you ? To appease the irrational Moslem masses in France not to riot you'll sacrifice anything and anyone . You demonstrated that well in 2005 and all the world saw your humiliation and your mendacious mass media . You're slowly but steadily becoming a colony of your former Maghreb colonies. In a century you'll all be Moslems and a thrid world country as Islam will strangle and ruin France. Your venal politicians will be probably the first to convert to Islam to gain votes and preserve power. They don't care about France as a cultural European (not Eurabian !!!) entity as long as they can rule and exploit her politically . They are all deeply involved in the Eurabia project , this most despicable and treacherous scheme to make Europe part of dar-al-Islam.

> Your government is the worse I ever seen in my whole life, even through american history.

And how about yours ? You have never had a better one during all of your five republics or at least not since de Gaulles sold the "pieds noirs" to the Arab hangmen and crushed all those who tried to thwart his betrayal ?

> I think USA are clearly on the slope to fascism,

That such an reproach is launched against America from a country that once produced the unforgetable Vichy regime seems to me both amazing and symptomatic.

> and world-conscious people like me are much more afraid of the US leaders than this ridiculous hollywood like 'al Qaeda' and its puppet, the arch-villain Bin Laden.

I hope your car is secure and you have got a pocket edition of the "Noble" Quran just in case riots erupt unexpectedly in this idyll of quiet and serene Moslem banlieux and you face some angry Moslem youths .

But courage ! Don't be afraid of American leaders! After all with all your Moslem allies you French of today may feel as strong as -if not much stronger than - during the days when you used Moslem troops to defeat " les boches".


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