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Submitted by Pro-Israeli Democrat (United States), May 9, 2006 at 14:15

Hugs or no hugs, it really does not matter. I believe that Iraq is not on the road to becoming another Iran [as I once did], but that it is already another Lebanon [which in my estimation is even worse]...and for what? Oil? Big Business? It certainly has not led to a reduction in global terrorism, and in fact, it is now a battlefield for terrorist groups and their state sponsers [Iran, Syria, and especially Saudi Arabia] to fight Western "infidels". It hasn't helped the cause of human rights, either, because Shiite death squads are now killing Sunni just for being Sunni.

Meanwhile, as the spin-doctors at FOX News [which is no more than a mouthpiece for the Bush Administration] and the White House itself continually try to mask the problems with Iraq [and point to a conspiratorial "liberal" media, which in truth does not exist], the Sunnis continue blowing themselves up on "martyrdom" operations. I highly doubt that Al-Maliki, like his predecessor, will be able to control the sectarian tensions which have plunged the country into a repeating and remitting civil war. Thus, it scarcely matters whether White House officials are hugging Iraq's leaders, because the country is a lost cause anyway. Again, it is merely a way for the neoconservatives to convey the message that Iraq is a happy place with happy people. Are death squads, suicide bombers, torture, and the random killings of homosexuals "happy" things? I didn't think so...

As for us...the latest estimate is that the war may wind up costing $811 billion dollars!! I don't know what percentage of our economy that is, but certainly that money could have been used for education, for family planning programs, to help Israel defend itself, or to thwart the threat of a nuclear Iran [which is a VERY real danger to Israel, Turkey, Lebanon, Egypt, Azerbaijan, etc.] It could also have been used to help the Afghan people in postwar reconstruction. Quite frankly, I think we were better off with Saddam Hussein. Yes, he was one of the most brutal tyrants of the last century, but I'd rather have a tyrant in power than watch the coming of another Lebanon war. We are supposed to be fighting a war on terror, not a war on dictatorship. If we are fighting a war on dictatorship instead, than who knows how many countries we will invade: North Korea, Turkmenistan, China, Russia, Zimbabwe, Cuba, Venezuela, Belarus, Burma/Myanmar, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, etc. Only ideologues [be they liberal, conservative, or neither] would consider such a thing possible...If we must do that, than we may as well destroy the entire world. Half of this planet is ruled by one dictator or another.

Furthermore, I would much rather have Saddam than give Iran any leverage with its nuclear program. Due to what has happened in Iraq, I do not trust the Bush Administration with "Operation Iranian Freedom"...We simply do not have enough troops and may well be forced to use "tactical" nuclear weapons. We'd better not invade that country. Any notion of launching an Iraq-style invasion of Iran is now completely absurd, and I think that any politician who promotes such a thing is out of his or her mind. We are having enough trouble pacifying Iraq. Imagine what pacifying a xenophobic country three times its size is going to be like. If Iraq is going to cost us $811 billion, imagine what an invasion, occupation, and reconstruction of Iran would cost. A helluva lot more than that, of that I am sure.

I think all of us have learned the lesson that George W. Bush cannot fight terror for his life. Nor can we trust the White House to admit the awful truth about what is happening to both American Soldiers and Iraqi civilians. This is not an ordinary liberal rant [although I am certainly liberal when it comes to domestic policy and a moderate on foreign affairs], for this is not a battle between liberals and conservatives. It is a battle between the White House and everyone else. Even hard-line Republicans like Nebraskan Senator Chuck Hagel have come out against the war [and I am encouraged to see the far right and far left unite on SOMETHING]. At least Ronald Reagan had the balls to admit that intervention in Lebanon was a mistake. Before we invaded Iraq, it was not a battlefield in the war on terror. However, it is now THE battlefield. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan produced al-Qaeda and several thousand other groups, as the Lebanon War produced Hezbollah. Who knows what Iraq will ultimately lead to. One thing is certain, it is as if the Vietnam debacle [not to mention the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan] did not even happen. Whoever emerges as President in 2008, I hope that he or she creates an administration with something that Bush's puppet masters at the Pentagon and the Project For a New American Century lack. That, of course, is, a fairly accurate sense of history. Let's return to rationalism and realism.


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Title Commenter Date Thread
Explain Iraq's Regression [84 words]DaveAug 23, 2014 14:59217353
1The word Mesopotamia [204 words]dhimmi no moreAug 23, 2014 08:24217346
Either you fight terrorism or you pretend you do. These don't mix [108 words]Marcel ZytoJul 1, 2006 10:3748655
west underating of islam [247 words]italianMay 15, 2006 19:1445678
For Mr. Pipes: A lost cause and a lesson [unfortunately not] learned [838 words]Pro-Israeli DemocratMay 9, 2006 14:1545119
a democratic Iraq? [121 words]frank keefeMay 10, 2006 11:5445119
Suits Me [114 words]Sword of Islam & The Babies of BeslanMay 12, 2006 21:0445119
Question for Mr Daniel Pipes: Is an immediate US military pullout from Iraq advisable ? [135 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
true believerMay 5, 2006 04:1244889
Do Not Pull Out [505 words]John RMay 6, 2006 06:2544889
Mithaq missiles handed over to Sadrists!! [121 words]HarrakMay 6, 2006 11:5344889
Hugging terrorists [175 words]HarrakMay 4, 2006 17:4644866
Mousaoui's fate is worse than death [585 words]JasonMay 8, 2006 11:2544866
France should pay for its citizens [112 words]HarrakMay 8, 2006 19:4644866
re: jason's thoughts on mousaoui [147 words]snakeMay 9, 2006 00:2944866
Put him in jail and keep him there [318 words]Octavio JohansonMay 9, 2006 05:2344866
Hell on Earth [160 words]SeedeaterMay 17, 2006 11:0544866
Nod DoC [15 words]john cookJun 21, 2006 11:4644866
HUGGING IRAQ'S LEADES. [76 words]samMay 4, 2006 13:4744857
Lebanon refuses to allow Taiwan president plane land in Beitut! a Chinese influence [90 words]HarrakMay 4, 2006 12:0744855
more of the same [102 words]Carmen Waggoner, Ph.D.May 4, 2006 08:3244846
A Bunch of Bafflegab [134 words]RichieMay 3, 2006 22:4144828
It would aid the Iraqi government if Bush pretends to be very angry at them [42 words]Brian LuedkeMay 3, 2006 19:2244820
More on "hugs"... [141 words]J.S.May 3, 2006 15:2944808
Get a backbone! [311 words]JustMeMay 3, 2006 13:4344799
Bravo! [65 words]twoheroesMay 4, 2006 00:1444799
Give the Iraqi people a chance to decide [325 words]JasonMay 3, 2006 10:2544791
Not that simple [206 words]PatMay 4, 2006 11:5944791
1The Iraqi people would be sending their government, and themselves, a powerful message [128 words]JasonMay 8, 2006 11:3644791
Wouldn't this be the fourth vote? [161 words]PatMay 8, 2006 16:3244791
Not a very pleasant sight [68 words]PhillipMay 3, 2006 08:4544788
Playing to win. [76 words]Robert LynnMay 3, 2006 01:0844774
ok, don't hug iraqi leaders, but don't ditch them either [90 words]jaleecMay 3, 2006 00:4544773
The notion of a victory in ditching the impossible [400 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDMay 3, 2006 10:0644773
A brief note... [105 words]J.S.May 4, 2006 18:4444773
huggin' the iraqis [125 words]robert fusfeldMay 2, 2006 19:3544767
Hugging [54 words]Donald W. BalesMay 2, 2006 19:0144764
Hugs Hugs and more Hugs [143 words]renchMay 2, 2006 17:0744762
You write a great deal about Israels position, what position is the US in ? [51 words]narmerMay 2, 2006 16:2644759
1Understanding the USA conflict of interest with China and Russia [239 words]HarrakMay 3, 2006 11:3044759
Money Makes Their World Turn [145 words]Sword of Islam & The Babies of BeslanMay 3, 2006 16:3144759
positive! what have you.. [201 words]HarrakMay 2, 2006 16:0444756
Back-Off Time [52 words]Lee D. CaryMay 2, 2006 15:5444754
Hugging the enemy, [228 words]kim segarMay 2, 2006 13:5444747
Are we coming or going? [427 words]PatMay 2, 2006 12:4744745
Suggest You Join, John R.... [84 words]Dr. Lee D. CaryMay 2, 2006 16:0444745
Lots of work for Muslims to do [160 words]PatMay 3, 2006 12:2244745
Indifference Kills [309 words]Lee D. CaryMay 3, 2006 16:1044745
Ungrateful Iraqis nonsense again, huh? [151 words]AmirMay 3, 2006 23:3744745
Selfish Reasons? [214 words]PatMay 4, 2006 16:2844745
Muslims have to stand up and be counted. [598 words]PatMay 4, 2006 17:4544745
Not indifferent after all [387 words]Lee D. CaryMay 5, 2006 17:0744745
You're Right, Amir [247 words]Lee D CaryMay 5, 2006 17:3244745
Going nuclear entails responsibility [218 words]PatMay 5, 2006 19:3244745
Amir lives in the West for selfish reasons [32 words]Octavio JohansonMay 6, 2006 08:5744745
I'm glad [10 words]LD CaryMay 6, 2006 09:4544745
islamic education and honesty [93 words]G.BisvasMay 8, 2006 07:3844745
inability to read the Arab mind [130 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDMay 2, 2006 12:4544744
Intelligence level of US admn. [50 words]G. BisvasMay 2, 2006 12:4344743
Brilliant ad hominem argument [1 words]Lee D. CaryMay 2, 2006 16:0944743
Brilliant ad hominem argument - how? [193 words]G.BisvasMay 3, 2006 04:2844743
Ad hominem Again [274 words]Lee D. CaryMay 3, 2006 15:5044743
Bisvas Knows All [141 words]InfidelMay 3, 2006 16:4944743
re:Mr. Bisvas [354 words]true believerMay 4, 2006 06:4944743
Knows a lot [129 words]G.BisvasMay 5, 2006 05:1144743
True Correction for True Believer [32 words]Lee D CaryMay 5, 2006 17:4044743
The Ad Verecundiam Shift [70 words]LD CaryMay 5, 2006 19:0844743
various types of intelligences [117 words]G.BisvasMay 6, 2006 04:3644743
re: True correction for true believer [14 words]true believerMay 10, 2006 08:1844743
Restraint in Iraq [167 words]Dan WeilMay 2, 2006 12:3544742
Deal with what is feeding the down-side [98 words]David W. LincolnMay 2, 2006 12:2944741
Either smash them or get out [88 words]William Sumner Scott, J.D.May 2, 2006 12:0244740
Thanks [92 words]MarkMay 2, 2006 11:5444737

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