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Not indifferent after all
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Submitted by Lee D. Cary (United States), May 5, 2006 at 17:07

The US is not the West, as you write. Are we leading the West? That remains to be seen. They don't seem to be keen on following, as you observe. I heard someone say that Europe died at Auschwitz. I'm still chewing on that notion.

I have similar thoughs ref. the U.N. I've decided that the US gov't long ago saw the main value of the U.N. as (1) a place to closely measure the intentions of other gov'ts, (2) a source for mid-level intelligence gathering an recruitment of foreign nationals for same, and (3) an occasional opportunity to put a happy face on some inter'l ventures (refugee resettlement, for example). All this for a reasonable outlay of funds (that have yielded US taxpayers--exactly what, I, also, wonder?) And we shouldn't forget the entertainment value of seeing Kofi Annan deny with an almost straight face his knowledge of Kojo's activities. One of the major ironies of the U.N. is that it was born with high hopes and optimism out of the ashes of WWII; formed the nation of Israel to partially atone for the world's guilt about the holocaust; and now sits by as Iran gears up to destroy Israel (We must take the words of Iran seriously, I believe)

"I would let Tehran know the consequences of a nuclear attack on the US or any other nation ," you write, to which I echo agreement, Pat. But I'm not sure they care. I wonder if they're not as crazy as they act. Iran has been killing Americans in small numbers for decades. Ironically, the inept Carter (inept in my opinoin) was the only President to make an attempt (inept, too) to strike back. There's every reason to believe that their march toward nuclear weapons will eventually lead to the transfer of a portable device that will be handed over to others, not directly traceable to Iran, who will detonate it here. I'm with you on defending ourselves first and foremost--the "first" part of that defense may be preventative. But as I survey the political landscape today, I'm not sure this crop of politicians would have known how to respond to the bombing of Pearl Harbor. (But as we debate ad nauseam in the Senate, Israel will act. As have no choice.)

I enjoyed reading your response.


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Either you fight terrorism or you pretend you do. These don't mix [108 words]Marcel ZytoJul 1, 2006 10:37
west underating of islam [247 words]italianMay 15, 2006 19:14
For Mr. Pipes: A lost cause and a lesson [unfortunately not] learned [838 words]Pro-Israeli DemocratMay 9, 2006 14:15
a democratic Iraq? [121 words]frank keefeMay 10, 2006 11:54
Suits Me [114 words]Sword of Islam & The Babies of BeslanMay 12, 2006 21:04
Question for Mr Daniel Pipes: Is an immediate US military pullout from Iraq advisable ?
[w/response] [135 words]
true believerMay 5, 2006 04:12
Do Not Pull Out [505 words]John RMay 6, 2006 06:25
Mithaq missiles handed over to Sadrists!! [121 words]HarrakMay 6, 2006 11:53
Hugging terrorists [175 words]HarrakMay 4, 2006 17:46
Mousaoui's fate is worse than death [585 words]JasonMay 8, 2006 11:25
France should pay for its citizens [112 words]HarrakMay 8, 2006 19:46
re: jason's thoughts on mousaoui [147 words]snakeMay 9, 2006 00:29
Put him in jail and keep him there [318 words]Octavio JohansonMay 9, 2006 05:23
Hell on Earth [160 words]SeedeaterMay 17, 2006 11:05
Nod DoC [15 words]john cookJun 21, 2006 11:46
HUGGING IRAQ'S LEADES. [76 words]samMay 4, 2006 13:47
Lebanon refuses to allow Taiwan president plane land in Beitut! a Chinese influence [90 words]HarrakMay 4, 2006 12:07
more of the same [102 words]Carmen Waggoner, Ph.D.May 4, 2006 08:32
A Bunch of Bafflegab [134 words]RichieMay 3, 2006 22:41
It would aid the Iraqi government if Bush pretends to be very angry at them [42 words]Brian LuedkeMay 3, 2006 19:22
More on "hugs"... [141 words]J.S.May 3, 2006 15:29
Get a backbone! [311 words]JustMeMay 3, 2006 13:43
Bravo! [65 words]twoheroesMay 4, 2006 00:14
Give the Iraqi people a chance to decide [325 words]JasonMay 3, 2006 10:25
Not that simple [206 words]PatMay 4, 2006 11:59
The Iraqi people would be sending their government, and themselves, a powerful message [128 words]JasonMay 8, 2006 11:36
Wouldn't this be the fourth vote? [161 words]PatMay 8, 2006 16:32
Not a very pleasant sight [68 words]PhillipMay 3, 2006 08:45
Playing to win. [76 words]Robert LynnMay 3, 2006 01:08
ok, don't hug iraqi leaders, but don't ditch them either [90 words]jaleecMay 3, 2006 00:45
The notion of a victory in ditching the impossible [400 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDMay 3, 2006 10:06
A brief note... [105 words]J.S.May 4, 2006 18:44
huggin' the iraqis [125 words]robert fusfeldMay 2, 2006 19:35
Hugging [54 words]Donald W. BalesMay 2, 2006 19:01
Hugs Hugs and more Hugs [143 words]renchMay 2, 2006 17:07
You write a great deal about Israels position, what position is the US in ? [51 words]narmerMay 2, 2006 16:26
Understanding the USA conflict of interest with China and Russia [239 words]HarrakMay 3, 2006 11:30
Money Makes Their World Turn [145 words]Sword of Islam & The Babies of BeslanMay 3, 2006 16:31
positive! what have you.. [201 words]HarrakMay 2, 2006 16:04
Back-Off Time [52 words]Lee D. CaryMay 2, 2006 15:54
Hugging the enemy, [228 words]kim segarMay 2, 2006 13:54
Are we coming or going? [427 words]PatMay 2, 2006 12:47
Suggest You Join, John R.... [84 words]Dr. Lee D. CaryMay 2, 2006 16:04
Lots of work for Muslims to do [160 words]PatMay 3, 2006 12:22
Indifference Kills [309 words]Lee D. CaryMay 3, 2006 16:10
Ungrateful Iraqis nonsense again, huh? [151 words]AmirMay 3, 2006 23:37
Selfish Reasons? [214 words]PatMay 4, 2006 16:28
Muslims have to stand up and be counted. [598 words]PatMay 4, 2006 17:45
⇒ Not indifferent after all [387 words]Lee D. CaryMay 5, 2006 17:07
You're Right, Amir [247 words]Lee D CaryMay 5, 2006 17:32
Going nuclear entails responsibility [218 words]PatMay 5, 2006 19:32
Amir lives in the West for selfish reasons [32 words]Octavio JohansonMay 6, 2006 08:57
I'm glad [10 words]LD CaryMay 6, 2006 09:45
islamic education and honesty [93 words]G.BisvasMay 8, 2006 07:38
inability to read the Arab mind [130 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDMay 2, 2006 12:45
Intelligence level of US admn. [50 words]G. BisvasMay 2, 2006 12:43
Brilliant ad hominem argument [1 words]Lee D. CaryMay 2, 2006 16:09
Brilliant ad hominem argument - how? [193 words]G.BisvasMay 3, 2006 04:28
Ad hominem Again [274 words]Lee D. CaryMay 3, 2006 15:50
Bisvas Knows All [141 words]InfidelMay 3, 2006 16:49
re:Mr. Bisvas [354 words]true believerMay 4, 2006 06:49
Knows a lot [129 words]G.BisvasMay 5, 2006 05:11
True Correction for True Believer [32 words]Lee D CaryMay 5, 2006 17:40
The Ad Verecundiam Shift [70 words]LD CaryMay 5, 2006 19:08
various types of intelligences [117 words]G.BisvasMay 6, 2006 04:36
re: True correction for true believer [14 words]true believerMay 10, 2006 08:18
Restraint in Iraq [167 words]Dan WeilMay 2, 2006 12:35
Deal with what is feeding the down-side [98 words]David W. LincolnMay 2, 2006 12:29
Either smash them or get out [88 words]William Sumner Scott, J.D.May 2, 2006 12:02
Thanks [92 words]MarkMay 2, 2006 11:54

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