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Muslims have to stand up and be counted.

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Submitted by Pat (United States), May 4, 2006 at 17:45

The Middle East has a long history of dictatorial rule. The West might be able to change things, but the US by itself is not the West. There are other countries with their own interests in the Middle East and a reason to want to keep the current setup intact and they are blocking us at every turn.

Our experience in Iraq is clear evidence that the US cannot do it alone. During the nineties we were maintaining no-fly zones in the north and south. The sanctions regime was routinely violated and the UN did nothing to stop it. In the mid-nineties the Oil-for-Food progam was set up to allow Iraq to buy food and other necessities. Only after the war did we obtain evidence that that program was also being undermined by China, Russia and France, to name a few. The UN itself was compromised. The US taxpayer was taken to the cleaners.

You didn't say exactly when the pictures of Tarawa were published, but today we don't have the option of holding back news. War is seen in real time, courtesy of the internet and cable news. There are competing news outlets with different points of view and every one of them will make sure its version gets told.

In this era of the nation-state there is nothing the US can do by itself without violating international law. We are not even allowed to protect our own borders, lest we interfere with the rights of people to move freely. Until we are attacked again on a massive scale or until we take actions that should have been taken immediately after 9/11, such as banning all private travel to the US by all Muslims anywhere in the world as long as Usama bin Laden remains at large, the rest of the world will be content to sit back and watch us founder. Thanks to the global trade regime, most of our allies have decided that tolerating tyranny is worth it, or at least that fighting it is not worth the trouble. Spain is a perfect example of the latter. Most consider the US a hothead that wants to impose its values on others. Peace at any price is their motto. The US will be expected to assume the risks and our so-called allies will expect to reap the benefits.

Look at Iran. Iran is being aided by NPT signatories like Russia and China. If there is no NPT violation, why is any of it secret? Given that the US will always be held to a different standard, I would let Tehran know the consequences of a nuclear attack on the US or any other nation and then just sit back and let them go nuclear, since the EU, the UN and the IAEA obviously see nothing to raise a fuss about. Indifference doesn't mean we are not watching. It simply means we defend ourselves first and foremost. We have the right of self-preservation. To me, part of that is keeping Muslims from entering the US for an indeterminate period. Some will say that only a small number of Muslims are fighting us and they don't represent mainstream Islam, but that ignores the fact that Usama and others couldn't function without the acquiescence of "good" Muslims. Right now, a "good" Muslim has information about Usama's or Zarqawi's whereabouts and is keeping his mouth shut. Until the "good" Muslims decide to take charge or until we exact a price from them for tolerating terrorism, there is nothing the US alone can do about the problems of the Muslim world.


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Explain Iraq's Regression [84 words]DaveAug 23, 2014 14:59217353
1The word Mesopotamia [204 words]dhimmi no moreAug 23, 2014 08:24217346
Either you fight terrorism or you pretend you do. These don't mix [108 words]Marcel ZytoJul 1, 2006 10:3748655
west underating of islam [247 words]italianMay 15, 2006 19:1445678
For Mr. Pipes: A lost cause and a lesson [unfortunately not] learned [838 words]Pro-Israeli DemocratMay 9, 2006 14:1545119
a democratic Iraq? [121 words]frank keefeMay 10, 2006 11:5445119
Suits Me [114 words]Sword of Islam & The Babies of BeslanMay 12, 2006 21:0445119
Question for Mr Daniel Pipes: Is an immediate US military pullout from Iraq advisable ? [135 words]
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true believerMay 5, 2006 04:1244889
Do Not Pull Out [505 words]John RMay 6, 2006 06:2544889
Mithaq missiles handed over to Sadrists!! [121 words]HarrakMay 6, 2006 11:5344889
Hugging terrorists [175 words]HarrakMay 4, 2006 17:4644866
Mousaoui's fate is worse than death [585 words]JasonMay 8, 2006 11:2544866
France should pay for its citizens [112 words]HarrakMay 8, 2006 19:4644866
re: jason's thoughts on mousaoui [147 words]snakeMay 9, 2006 00:2944866
Put him in jail and keep him there [318 words]Octavio JohansonMay 9, 2006 05:2344866
Hell on Earth [160 words]SeedeaterMay 17, 2006 11:0544866
Nod DoC [15 words]john cookJun 21, 2006 11:4644866
HUGGING IRAQ'S LEADES. [76 words]samMay 4, 2006 13:4744857
Lebanon refuses to allow Taiwan president plane land in Beitut! a Chinese influence [90 words]HarrakMay 4, 2006 12:0744855
more of the same [102 words]Carmen Waggoner, Ph.D.May 4, 2006 08:3244846
A Bunch of Bafflegab [134 words]RichieMay 3, 2006 22:4144828
It would aid the Iraqi government if Bush pretends to be very angry at them [42 words]Brian LuedkeMay 3, 2006 19:2244820
More on "hugs"... [141 words]J.S.May 3, 2006 15:2944808
Get a backbone! [311 words]JustMeMay 3, 2006 13:4344799
Bravo! [65 words]twoheroesMay 4, 2006 00:1444799
Give the Iraqi people a chance to decide [325 words]JasonMay 3, 2006 10:2544791
Not that simple [206 words]PatMay 4, 2006 11:5944791
1The Iraqi people would be sending their government, and themselves, a powerful message [128 words]JasonMay 8, 2006 11:3644791
Wouldn't this be the fourth vote? [161 words]PatMay 8, 2006 16:3244791
Not a very pleasant sight [68 words]PhillipMay 3, 2006 08:4544788
Playing to win. [76 words]Robert LynnMay 3, 2006 01:0844774
ok, don't hug iraqi leaders, but don't ditch them either [90 words]jaleecMay 3, 2006 00:4544773
The notion of a victory in ditching the impossible [400 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDMay 3, 2006 10:0644773
A brief note... [105 words]J.S.May 4, 2006 18:4444773
huggin' the iraqis [125 words]robert fusfeldMay 2, 2006 19:3544767
Hugging [54 words]Donald W. BalesMay 2, 2006 19:0144764
Hugs Hugs and more Hugs [143 words]renchMay 2, 2006 17:0744762
You write a great deal about Israels position, what position is the US in ? [51 words]narmerMay 2, 2006 16:2644759
1Understanding the USA conflict of interest with China and Russia [239 words]HarrakMay 3, 2006 11:3044759
Money Makes Their World Turn [145 words]Sword of Islam & The Babies of BeslanMay 3, 2006 16:3144759
positive! what have you.. [201 words]HarrakMay 2, 2006 16:0444756
Back-Off Time [52 words]Lee D. CaryMay 2, 2006 15:5444754
Hugging the enemy, [228 words]kim segarMay 2, 2006 13:5444747
Are we coming or going? [427 words]PatMay 2, 2006 12:4744745
Suggest You Join, John R.... [84 words]Dr. Lee D. CaryMay 2, 2006 16:0444745
Lots of work for Muslims to do [160 words]PatMay 3, 2006 12:2244745
Indifference Kills [309 words]Lee D. CaryMay 3, 2006 16:1044745
Ungrateful Iraqis nonsense again, huh? [151 words]AmirMay 3, 2006 23:3744745
Selfish Reasons? [214 words]PatMay 4, 2006 16:2844745
Muslims have to stand up and be counted. [598 words]PatMay 4, 2006 17:4544745
Not indifferent after all [387 words]Lee D. CaryMay 5, 2006 17:0744745
You're Right, Amir [247 words]Lee D CaryMay 5, 2006 17:3244745
Going nuclear entails responsibility [218 words]PatMay 5, 2006 19:3244745
Amir lives in the West for selfish reasons [32 words]Octavio JohansonMay 6, 2006 08:5744745
I'm glad [10 words]LD CaryMay 6, 2006 09:4544745
islamic education and honesty [93 words]G.BisvasMay 8, 2006 07:3844745
inability to read the Arab mind [130 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDMay 2, 2006 12:4544744
Intelligence level of US admn. [50 words]G. BisvasMay 2, 2006 12:4344743
Brilliant ad hominem argument [1 words]Lee D. CaryMay 2, 2006 16:0944743
Brilliant ad hominem argument - how? [193 words]G.BisvasMay 3, 2006 04:2844743
Ad hominem Again [274 words]Lee D. CaryMay 3, 2006 15:5044743
Bisvas Knows All [141 words]InfidelMay 3, 2006 16:4944743
re:Mr. Bisvas [354 words]true believerMay 4, 2006 06:4944743
Knows a lot [129 words]G.BisvasMay 5, 2006 05:1144743
True Correction for True Believer [32 words]Lee D CaryMay 5, 2006 17:4044743
The Ad Verecundiam Shift [70 words]LD CaryMay 5, 2006 19:0844743
various types of intelligences [117 words]G.BisvasMay 6, 2006 04:3644743
re: True correction for true believer [14 words]true believerMay 10, 2006 08:1844743
Restraint in Iraq [167 words]Dan WeilMay 2, 2006 12:3544742
Deal with what is feeding the down-side [98 words]David W. LincolnMay 2, 2006 12:2944741
Either smash them or get out [88 words]William Sumner Scott, J.D.May 2, 2006 12:0244740
Thanks [92 words]MarkMay 2, 2006 11:5444737

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