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Reply to David John
Reader comment on item: Civil war likely in Iraq: Pipes
in response to reader comment: Can't see the Forest for the Trees

Submitted by Jason (United States), Mar 13, 2006 at 07:43

David John asks:
"isn't it true that the ayatollas from Khomeni onwards have gone back to the Koran and found there the the doctrines of jihad, of Islamic superiority, of murder and mayhem."

It's actually just the opposite. These "leaders" are basing most of their BS on hadiths and fatwas, both of which are the Muslim equivalent of Papal Encyclicals. And just like the Papal Encyclicals, the historical hadiths and fatwas are merely the written religious beliefs of a single individual, at a specific point in time, and often have no basis in the underlying scriptures. Most of what is quoted here as being from the Koran is actually from these hadiths and fatwas, and not from the Koran at all. As I stated in my original posting, even Mohammad warned against using hadiths as a basis for one's faith, to include hadiths the he, Mohammad, had written. Only the Koran matters.

Remember also that the ayatollas are the Islamic equivalent of the Church leadership, albeit not so formally structured. They are the old guard, committed to the old ways, whether the old ways are right or not. The present wave of violence is their attempt to re-assert these old ways as this new generation finds that there is a discrepency between what they are taught by their religious leaders, and what is written in the Koran. This is an exact repeat of what happened during the Christian Reformation.

I have two final analogies that I believe will help people understand this a little better. During the Christian Reformation, two entities arose in an attempt to enforce the old order. They were the Society of Jesus (Jesuits), and the Inquisition. Islam has its own versions of each. They are, repectively, Wahabism (Islam's most fanatical branch) and Al-Qaida.

The Wahabi are like the Jesuits in that their version of their faith is based entirely upon the "traditions" of their religion, with little direct connection to their scriptures. It is the worst kind of blind, maniacal faith that allows people to be so easily manipulated by their leaders. Al-Qaida mirrors the Inquisition in that both were/are willing to do whatever is necessary to protect those traditions, no matter how evil such actions might have to be. Protecting the traditions and the established order are all that matter. Whereas most of the Catholic Church's inquisitors are probably burning in Hell, most members of Al-Qaida will probably share the same eternal fate. They'll have a lot of war stories to swap.

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US Must Resist Temptation to Leave Iraq [384 words]William Robert JackMar 20, 2006 14:59
To Harrak, Mu'een and Bader Islam is a religion of Peace [343 words]InfidelMar 12, 2006 14:40
Islam and the losers in the west! [173 words]HarrakMar 14, 2006 13:56
Islam is the future? What future? [511 words]EarlybirdMar 14, 2006 17:47
Earlybird! I like your take except for some points.. [447 words]HARRAKMar 14, 2006 22:56
Response to Harrak [333 words]EarlybirdMar 15, 2006 19:49
RE:Harrak.... [271 words]WeAreAllDanes!Mar 16, 2006 01:30
To Harrak, Mu'een and Bader - Islam is a religion of Peace [330 words]VijayMar 16, 2006 06:34
Earlbird, it's nice to see someone esle who understands [345 words]JasonMar 16, 2006 13:09
Reply for Earlybird and WeAreALLdanes [46 words]HARRAKMar 16, 2006 13:46
RE:HARRAK's non-reply [49 words]WeAreAllDanes!Mar 17, 2006 14:09
Can't see the Forest for the Trees [941 words]JasonMar 10, 2006 13:45
Reply to Jason - Can't see the forest for the trees [275 words]David JohnMar 11, 2006 13:08
⇒ Reply to David John [412 words]JasonMar 13, 2006 07:43
Can't see the forest for the trees - reply to Jason [339 words]David JohnMar 14, 2006 11:36
Is the Koran really worse than the Bible [284 words]JasonMar 15, 2006 14:11
RE: lost in the forest [72 words]WeAreAllDanes!Mar 16, 2006 01:36
Still not seeing the forest for the trees [584 words]JasonMar 16, 2006 11:44
I agree [27 words]PCMadnessMar 17, 2006 19:30
RE:apologetics [489 words]WeAreAllDanes!Mar 18, 2006 12:09
to Jason - re forest for the trees. [260 words]RashidMar 19, 2006 15:36
Islam is different [231 words]Joe"Jun 14, 2006 12:11
Educative Information [24 words]Kakuru RobertAug 21, 2007 05:20
Civil War in Iraq [139 words]Heather ClarkMar 8, 2006 23:06
Iraq, the harder game than that of Lebanon [459 words]HARRAKMar 8, 2006 11:45
Cohabitation [78 words]Bader SMar 8, 2006 17:37
Response for Badr- the proverb of the stupid and the proud [343 words]HarrakMar 9, 2006 13:23
Sources please Harrak... [172 words]PCMadnessMar 8, 2006 04:59
Sources! [72 words]HARRAKMar 8, 2006 17:29
Sorry Harrak, None the wiser I'm afraid. [241 words]PCMadnessMar 9, 2006 02:34
Sabians, Assyrians and Christians are NOT Muslims if you are wise PCMadness!! [42 words]HarrakMar 9, 2006 13:02
Harrak, Though provoking isn't it? [313 words]PCMadnessMar 9, 2006 20:20
Collin Powel and PCMadness! [89 words]HarrakMar 11, 2006 13:38
Harrak, words almost fail me. [355 words]PCMadnessMar 11, 2006 19:42
pdmadness, proverb for you! [32 words]HarrakMar 12, 2006 11:45
Agree to disagree.... I think [11 words]PCMadnessMar 13, 2006 14:56
Just goes to show you... [52 words]Ariton MarkuMar 7, 2006 11:58
A little analogy [82 words]Ray DanielsMar 6, 2006 04:17
Black Americans-White Americans----Both Christians?? [59 words]DWMar 6, 2006 17:25
Black and White [145 words]yuval brandstetter MDMar 7, 2006 09:44
Nothing new [123 words]Arvind MadhavanMar 4, 2006 19:38
Nothing new... [140 words]TMoneyRockMar 7, 2006 12:07
Dear TMoneyRock: Here is another rhyme [165 words]Arvind MadhavanMar 9, 2006 21:40
an expression of relief [119 words]Jason HansfordMar 4, 2006 13:07
Democratic fetishism [348 words]Reuben HorneMar 4, 2006 02:29
Bleeding hearts to prevail. [255 words]renchMar 3, 2006 17:04
An Iraqi Civil war is still a failure [427 words]Ben ShniperMar 6, 2006 14:58
Dr Pipes is correct [111 words]donvanMar 3, 2006 15:50
An Important Distinction between India and Pakistan [83 words]Mrgrinchman2001Mar 3, 2006 10:38
Another difference between India and Pakistan [86 words]SteevMar 5, 2006 09:47
..a golden opportunity for Iran again, regardless of the double standard issue! [238 words]HarrakMar 5, 2006 23:37
An environment in which they can thrive [165 words]Bader SMar 7, 2006 02:05
True [180 words]VijayMar 7, 2006 12:29
Bader S Tell the whole story [94 words]InfidelMar 7, 2006 15:00
correcting my blabing friend the infidel [332 words]HARRAKMar 7, 2006 21:35
To Bader S. & Vijay [288 words]faqiMar 8, 2006 01:13
It's a mess, but so's Harraks response [107 words]PCMadnessMar 8, 2006 04:57
To Bader S. & Vijay [273 words]VijayMar 8, 2006 06:30
Re:Bader S Tell the whole story [106 words]Bader SMar 8, 2006 09:06
To faqi [265 words]Bader SMar 8, 2006 16:50

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