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An Iraqi Civil war is still a failure
Reader comment on item: Civil war likely in Iraq: Pipes
in response to reader comment: Bleeding hearts to prevail.

Submitted by Ben Shniper (United States), Mar 6, 2006 at 14:58

True, the Al Queda brutes and the Iranian -influenced mullahs are both fighting to involve the country in a civil war noone else wants. And true, they want to cause thousands of deaths simply to embarrass America and possibly regain some power over the rubble. And it is further true that we hold no real moral responsibility for the evils of these two groups. And further true that the best way to avoid the embarrassing failure would be to distance ourselves from Iraq's troubles.

But none of that makes a civil war in a country we've invested billions into anything but an abject failure. It's too big of an investment, with billions of treasure and years of time and thousands of American lives spent. You can't tell me we spent all that effort just to have a different dictator in a country on the other side of the world. Nor could you tell me that watching thousands of locals butchering each other is anything the worst possible outcome for that country.

Evil can win the game even if we think we aren't playing. And pretending like we don't care about Iraq is going to really upset any allies or potential allies in the region. True, it's easier on us if there is a civil war - so long as the Al Queda and Iranians are killing each other. But that's clearly not happening... because both are aiming their guns at the vulnerable Iraqi people in the middle.

This is what happened in vietnam, to some extent. Both the North and South Vietnamese gave up any hope of doing anything but killing as many of the "enemy" as possible, until the US had no choice but to leave. And why did we not see it? We lost the war, got blamed for the war and the deaths, and had to watch communists butcher millions in the region. But we didn't start the war, and we carefully avoided causing civilian casualties. But good intentions are not really an excuse.

The truth is, we need to step in and stop the Iraqi civil war, for humanity, for ourselves, and for our own maybe even for our own souls. For you see - noone else can, and noone else will stop it. Thus, in the eyes of the world, who but us will be to blame if we don't try our best? Iraq is like a burning building, and we are simply the nearest firefighter. Would you blame that firefighter if the building burns to the ground while the firefighter sat back and watched?

-Ben

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US Must Resist Temptation to Leave Iraq [384 words]William Robert JackMar 20, 2006 14:59
To Harrak, Mu'een and Bader Islam is a religion of Peace [343 words]InfidelMar 12, 2006 14:40
Islam and the losers in the west! [173 words]HarrakMar 14, 2006 13:56
Islam is the future? What future? [511 words]EarlybirdMar 14, 2006 17:47
Earlybird! I like your take except for some points.. [447 words]HARRAKMar 14, 2006 22:56
Response to Harrak [333 words]EarlybirdMar 15, 2006 19:49
RE:Harrak.... [271 words]WeAreAllDanes!Mar 16, 2006 01:30
To Harrak, Mu'een and Bader - Islam is a religion of Peace [330 words]VijayMar 16, 2006 06:34
Earlbird, it's nice to see someone esle who understands [345 words]JasonMar 16, 2006 13:09
Reply for Earlybird and WeAreALLdanes [46 words]HARRAKMar 16, 2006 13:46
RE:HARRAK's non-reply [49 words]WeAreAllDanes!Mar 17, 2006 14:09
Can't see the Forest for the Trees [941 words]JasonMar 10, 2006 13:45
Reply to Jason - Can't see the forest for the trees [275 words]David JohnMar 11, 2006 13:08
Reply to David John [412 words]JasonMar 13, 2006 07:43
Can't see the forest for the trees - reply to Jason [339 words]David JohnMar 14, 2006 11:36
Is the Koran really worse than the Bible [284 words]JasonMar 15, 2006 14:11
RE: lost in the forest [72 words]WeAreAllDanes!Mar 16, 2006 01:36
Still not seeing the forest for the trees [584 words]JasonMar 16, 2006 11:44
I agree [27 words]PCMadnessMar 17, 2006 19:30
RE:apologetics [489 words]WeAreAllDanes!Mar 18, 2006 12:09
to Jason - re forest for the trees. [260 words]RashidMar 19, 2006 15:36
Islam is different [231 words]Joe"Jun 14, 2006 12:11
Educative Information [24 words]Kakuru RobertAug 21, 2007 05:20
Civil War in Iraq [139 words]Heather ClarkMar 8, 2006 23:06
Iraq, the harder game than that of Lebanon [459 words]HARRAKMar 8, 2006 11:45
Cohabitation [78 words]Bader SMar 8, 2006 17:37
Response for Badr- the proverb of the stupid and the proud [343 words]HarrakMar 9, 2006 13:23
Sources please Harrak... [172 words]PCMadnessMar 8, 2006 04:59
Sources! [72 words]HARRAKMar 8, 2006 17:29
Sorry Harrak, None the wiser I'm afraid. [241 words]PCMadnessMar 9, 2006 02:34
Sabians, Assyrians and Christians are NOT Muslims if you are wise PCMadness!! [42 words]HarrakMar 9, 2006 13:02
Harrak, Though provoking isn't it? [313 words]PCMadnessMar 9, 2006 20:20
Collin Powel and PCMadness! [89 words]HarrakMar 11, 2006 13:38
Harrak, words almost fail me. [355 words]PCMadnessMar 11, 2006 19:42
pdmadness, proverb for you! [32 words]HarrakMar 12, 2006 11:45
Agree to disagree.... I think [11 words]PCMadnessMar 13, 2006 14:56
Just goes to show you... [52 words]Ariton MarkuMar 7, 2006 11:58
A little analogy [82 words]Ray DanielsMar 6, 2006 04:17
Black Americans-White Americans----Both Christians?? [59 words]DWMar 6, 2006 17:25
Black and White [145 words]yuval brandstetter MDMar 7, 2006 09:44
Nothing new [123 words]Arvind MadhavanMar 4, 2006 19:38
Nothing new... [140 words]TMoneyRockMar 7, 2006 12:07
Dear TMoneyRock: Here is another rhyme [165 words]Arvind MadhavanMar 9, 2006 21:40
an expression of relief [119 words]Jason HansfordMar 4, 2006 13:07
Democratic fetishism [348 words]Reuben HorneMar 4, 2006 02:29
Bleeding hearts to prevail. [255 words]renchMar 3, 2006 17:04
⇒ An Iraqi Civil war is still a failure [427 words]Ben ShniperMar 6, 2006 14:58
Dr Pipes is correct [111 words]donvanMar 3, 2006 15:50
An Important Distinction between India and Pakistan [83 words]Mrgrinchman2001Mar 3, 2006 10:38
Another difference between India and Pakistan [86 words]SteevMar 5, 2006 09:47
..a golden opportunity for Iran again, regardless of the double standard issue! [238 words]HarrakMar 5, 2006 23:37
An environment in which they can thrive [165 words]Bader SMar 7, 2006 02:05
True [180 words]VijayMar 7, 2006 12:29
Bader S Tell the whole story [94 words]InfidelMar 7, 2006 15:00
correcting my blabing friend the infidel [332 words]HARRAKMar 7, 2006 21:35
To Bader S. & Vijay [288 words]faqiMar 8, 2006 01:13
It's a mess, but so's Harraks response [107 words]PCMadnessMar 8, 2006 04:57
To Bader S. & Vijay [273 words]VijayMar 8, 2006 06:30
Re:Bader S Tell the whole story [106 words]Bader SMar 8, 2006 09:06
To faqi [265 words]Bader SMar 8, 2006 16:50

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