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Submitted by Daniel Rudder (Singapore), Jul 14, 2005 at 12:04

I feel sorry for the UK. The sexual paradise is simply too good for its deprived and disillusioned Islamist youth to give it a miss . So what do you do about it? Feed them, shower them with lots of goodies and make them contented? But then they will breed like rabbits and eventually the country falls into their hands. Not to do so would make them want to kill infidels (crusades), young or old, innocent or guilty, and be rewarded with everlasting virgins, wine, etc., in the Islamic heaven.

It's a real dilemma for the UK. As usual, the mosques and madrassas will continue with their henious brainwashing every Friday. Can you stop it? I assure you after every blast you will again hear the same old story by the Moslems i.e. it was the work of fanatics, Israel did it, we are with you, examine the root cause .. .. . . .God Bless the UK!

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Daniel Pipes replies:

The above comment prompted this letter from CAIR's New York office: (Although dated Oct. 3, it was mailed out by CAIR on Oct. 10 and posted here also on Oct. 10.)

October 3, 2005

Mr. Raymond W. Kelly
Police Commissioner of the City of New York
1 Police Plaza, New York, NY 10038

Via Fax: (646) 610.4508

Dear Commissioner Kelly:

It is my unfortunate duty to bring to your attention the Muslim community's concerns about the possible Islamophobic views of a person currently lecturing NYPD personnel about "militant Islamic ideology."

Yesterday's New York Daily News reported that Daniel Rudder, described as an "intelligence research specialist," is teaching detectives and other law enforcement officials about "The Evolution of Militant Sunni Ideology." Rudder is also reported to have produced a 135-page report that forms the "backbone" of the Joint Terrorist Task Force and Intelligence training program SEE: "New York's Secret War on Terror," http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/351733p-299825c.html

A person identifying himself as "Daniel Rudder" posted the following comment on the website of a commentator regarded by many Muslims as our nation's leading Islamophobe: "I feel sorry for the UK. The sexual paradise is simply too good for its deprived and disillusioned Islamist youth to give it a miss. So what do you do about it? Feed them, shower them with lots of goodies and make them contented? But then they will breed like rabbits and eventually the country falls into their hands. Not to do so would make them want to kill infidels (crusades), young or old, innocent or guilty, and be rewarded with everlasting virgins, wine, etc., in the Islamic heaven.

"It's a real dilemma for the UK. As usual, the mosques and madrassas will continue with their henious brainwashing every Friday. Can you stop it? I assure you after every blast you will again hear the same old story by the Moslems i.e. it was the work of fanatics, Israel did it, we are with you, examine the root cause .. .. . . .God Bless the UK!" SEE: http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/23488

Obviously, the bigoted tone and content of this message raise concerns about the objectivity of the author in dealing with either Islam or the Muslim community. If this is the same Daniel Rudder mentioned in the Daily News article, his offensive references to Muslims breeding "like rabbits," presumptions of ill-will on the part of "Moslem" leaders, stereotypical notions of the Islamic perspective on heaven, and apparent hostility to Islamic institutions and practices raise questions about what NYPD personnel are being taught.

I would therefore respectfully request that your office investigate this matter to ensure that those who enforce the law in New York have access to accurate and objective information about Islam and Muslims. If the author of the bigoted message and the NYPD instructor are the same person, I would ask that you take appropriate action, up to and including dismissal of Mr. Rudder from the training program.

Sincerely,

Wissam Nasr
Executive Director
CAIR-New York

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