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Submitted by Ed Melik, Esq. (Kuwait), Jan 29, 2005 at 08:00

I write in response to Mr. Jacob Carmiel's comment about the total military victory over Palestine is the right solution vs. the two state peaceful existence of both the states.

I always wonder why there has been such a prolonged and costly quagmire in this unending Middle East solution? I have lived and worked in many Muslim countries in the last 15 years or so. What I have noticed that people of same language, culture, traditions, and habits seems to congregate together more often and more comfortably than in contrasting or opposite conditions. For discussion's sake, let's assume that about half a million Afghan orthodox Muslims are given a part of, let's say, southern California. To be exact, let's assume we give them Orange County and then by force ask the existing residents of Orange County to leave. Afghans then try to encroach over the given territories of Orange County. Obviously, those living on the other side of the encroaching boundaries would not like it. Now think of these half a million Afghans are allowed to work outside of Orange County and are free to visit Los Angeles, Beverly Hills, Pasadena etc. Just by looking at these people one could tell they are definitely not one of us as they behave differently and do not conform to the ways we are used to. We find their social, religious and cultural values disagreeable to a point of distrust resulting in our defensive behavior thus resulting in open discriminations and disgust. Slowly these Afghans start making moves to settle down outside their allocated territory of Orange County. Just think of rest of the implication in this scenario when none of the Afghans are willing to adopt our ways and we certainly aren't willing to adapt to theirs.

This is exactly what has happened in Israel. It is not Jews vs. Arabs. It is European vs. Arabs. The Arab Jews feel comfortable to socialize with the Arab Muslims, yet the same Arab Jews find it conflicting to mingle or socialize with ease with their European counterparts. I strongly believe that the conflict of Jews vs. Arabs is, in my opinion, simply East vs. the West.
After colonizing and occupying India for 200 years English failed to win the hearts and minds of the masses that were different in every way than the British. Again the phenomenon of East vs. the West prevailed and British had to relinquish their "crown in the jewel" India.

After colonizing the United States and almost bringing the natives to an extinct state by butchering them through a game park style hunting and target practicing of annihilation, how many occupiers adopted to the life style and value system of the natives?

The English, the Dutch, French and the Germans occupied and ruled South Africa for more than 300 years without assimilating into the mass culture of the natives. East vs. the West prevailed.

European and the American Jews have failed in reaching to any long lasting understandings toward the peace between the natives of Palestine and the new comers. Only solution to this no-win situation seems is what Mr. Jacob Carmiel commented. A total domination and forced colonization of the other.

"East is east and west is west and two shall never meet" is more appropriate in today's Israel-Palestine quagmire than ever.

The conflict that engulfs the Arabs and the European Jews is less religious and political but deeply rooted in their differing cultural, social and traditional life styles and value system than what is often propagated by the bias media on both sides. Despite the superficially and politically motivated rhetoric by both the sides, it has to do with east against west as the bigger picture is emerging from this phenomenon what we experience everyday in Iraq.

Despite the superficially sanitized and overly glorified ranting of "democracy" and 'freedom of speech" and "human rights" etc., Arabs would never adjust to the western ways of life. You don't have to westernize Iraq or Iran, just look at the Iraqis and Iranis and other Arabs living in France, Germany, England, USA, Canada and Israel. How well have they have assimilated to the life style of the country they adopted as their permanent homes? Do the social scientists of the world need bigger labs in sizes of Iraq and Iran to get to the conclusion? You can't force different cultures, races, and religions to live together. Material prosperity perhaps could unite them for material gratifications superficially as it is evident in Europe and the Americas, but deep inside lives the real ghosts of their psyche that would never let them fully trust the other.

Tolerance could only prevail when an open forms of communication, tolerance to dissentions, and a pursuit of common platform to vent out the differences exists with free willed participants to make up their own minds instead of being dictated by others...


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Courage Lives! [376 words]Arlinda DeAngelisMar 17, 2005 21:2921049
In response to commenter Jacob Carmiel [809 words]Ed Melik, Esq.Jan 29, 2005 08:0019968
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Abbas and the western liberals [27 words]Octavio JohansonJan 23, 2005 07:4319814
Palestine's right to exist? [92 words]Aaron GoldsteinJan 19, 2005 20:2319783
What's the Point Of Any Palestinian Government..... [126 words]J CarmielJan 17, 2005 04:0719709
Mr.Abbas's bleak future [250 words]Marcos BerensteinJan 16, 2005 19:5519704
So far you are right ... [4 words]Boris FrenkelJan 16, 2005 14:5619696
Marcos Berenstein's comment [98 words]J. CarmielJan 16, 2005 13:5819693
Not an easy challenge/Which way will Abbas go ? [28 words]Hans GuggenheimJan 15, 2005 16:3019683
Take a step back... [217 words]Tough CallJan 15, 2005 16:1219682
Mr.Carmiel's remarks [150 words]Marcos BerensteinJan 15, 2005 06:2219678
Abbas is another loser [166 words]Ed ZeeJan 14, 2005 15:0019670
Palestine and Israel two state solution.... [115 words]Jacob CarmielJan 14, 2005 14:3119669
Abbas, the elected president [113 words]Alon ReiningerJan 14, 2005 14:2519668
Reesponse To Marcos Berenstein [76 words]Mr J CarmielJan 14, 2005 06:3019664
OK. Then what [64 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
John W. McGinleyJan 13, 2005 14:1119647
TO MR DANIEL PIPES [20 words]Fadel MJan 13, 2005 12:3619645
Palestinian Bind [44 words]Peter J. HerzJan 13, 2005 08:2019643
Islamic Teachings X Peace [134 words]Marcos BerensteinJan 13, 2005 07:1219642
If he choose the wrong direction! [139 words]S. LubiczJan 12, 2005 20:3419638
Right of Return & Sami Aldeeb [285 words]John BrockJan 12, 2005 19:2619635
True peace [67 words]DannyJan 12, 2005 15:3719634
Perceptions of your articles on Abbas & Palestine are true [93 words]Don MarshJan 12, 2005 13:3519632
23rd Islamic State [25 words]AmirJan 12, 2005 12:4119631
A "one-state" solution [195 words]Mike ReiderJan 12, 2005 10:4319630
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Directly on the mark! [33 words]Ruth BrochJan 11, 2005 23:2719622
No peace without justice [238 words]Sami AldeebJan 11, 2005 21:2619619
Duplicity - Stalin and Abbas [165 words]Herbert BernsteinJan 11, 2005 20:2719617
Keep it up [12 words]Herb StoneJan 11, 2005 19:5519616
Amen.... [14 words]Andrew BergJan 11, 2005 19:3919615
In answer to Terry [82 words]Neila HachichaJan 11, 2005 19:3019614
He should stop violence [50 words]Octavio JohansonJan 11, 2005 17:4819612
Right of Return [191 words]Marcos BerensteinJan 11, 2005 17:3519610
Abbas' Strategy [216 words]Robert SniderJan 11, 2005 17:2519609
Mahmoud Abbas and 1930 [172 words]Sir Daniel M.J. TobinJan 11, 2005 17:0619606
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Mr. Abbas [103 words]Bill WaldronJan 11, 2005 15:5419602
Invisible enemy in plain sight [32 words]SJan 11, 2005 15:4119601
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Are there ANY circumstances [259 words]ATJan 11, 2005 14:5519599
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You hit the nail on the head again [157 words]Robert KleinJan 11, 2005 14:3419595
Bravo! [1 words]Lenore RobertsJan 11, 2005 14:0619593
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The Right of Return [136 words]Larry ShapiroJan 11, 2005 13:1419585

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