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Our dear Deb islam and slavery and gem time

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Feb 26, 2010 at 07:21

Our dear Deb al-tablighee you see our dear deb we proud kuffar have a saying: Ignorance is bliss, Knowledge is blessed, and half knowledge is darn dangerous and you are no more than the half knowledge as you shall see

> HI DNM,

Whatever

>Once again you come back to unfairly criticise me.

Poor baby. You know the old saying: if you cannot stand the heat then you get out of the kitchen right our dear Deb?

I wrote>>For the readers anyone who is interested in reading a great work on slavery and Islam I suggest Brenard Lewis great work: ""Race and slavery in the Middle East. An Historical Enquiry"

My Answer >>>> Why you are referring Bernard Lewis ?

Hello: Because it is great work

> He is a pro-Zionist historian.

What does this have to do with the fact that this is great work? Oh I see it hurts that a pro-Zionist is exposing slavery and islam right?

>His writings can not be neutral.

Then read the book first and write a book review to prove him wrong. But you know what? You are ignorant right?

>Bye the bye if you do not trust the sources of Islamic history as authentic then why should I trust someone like Bernard Lewis as authentic ?

Mr. ignorant: We kuffar apply the tools of literary criticism to the Islamic historical tradition and the end result is:

1. al-Hadith: No hadith can be linked to the historical Muhammad and al-ahadith are a reflection of the social, economic, religious and ethnic concerns of Muslims in the 3rd century of islam and no hadith can be linked to the historical Muhammad period or with Mecca or Medina between 610CE and 632CE and any tradition that has something to do with color or race is a suspect tradition

2. al-sira al-nabawiyya wa al-maghazi are no more than tafseer of the Quranic pericopes and logias and they not independent historical source

3, al-tarikh is no more than "history" that is made of literary formulas that means nothing and leads no where

4. Mecca and Meccan tarde are the biggest joke in the history of islam. We have no evidence external to the Muslim sources that were written by Persians and other non Arabs 3 centuries after the death of Abul Qasim that there was indeed such thing as Meccan Trade and what is most amazing about it is that the Syriac, Greek, Coptic and Hebrew sources about early islam (see Hoyland survey) are silent about a certain Muhammad al-tajir (the trader) and at least we should have had some one saying in the civilized Middle East in 633CE " Oh those Arab invaders come from the land of Muhammad who was a big time tajir and who met a certain Bahira al-rahib " and you know what? The silence of the sources here is very significant and do you know why? Because there was no such thing as Meccan trade and if it really existed then why did it disappear after the Arab invasion and if Mecca was such a wealthy place then why did the Umayyad's move their capital to Damascus? Let me help you because there was no such thing as Meccan trade and Mecca was no more than a poor miserable place and the source of such qissa is no more than tafseer of surat Quraish (Q106) a sura that no one has a clue what it means not back then and not now

And here is your bonus for today: What does the word Ilaf is surat Quriash mean? Let me help you: No one has a clue which cast doubt on the whole bogus story of Meccan Tarde

Now do you get it our dear Deb?

Then I wrote

>>Hello" Your source of such story about a certain Bilal is al-sira al-nabawiyya and al-maghazi and both are unhistorical souces in other words they are no more than little qissas (read this as stories of fiction) and such story is very much anachronistic. How come you did not know that? The Arabs called and still call black people al-3abeed wa al-barabra and they are both vile words just like the N word

And this is our dear Deb al-tablighee's answer:

>My Answer >>>>> If I had a time machine I would have taken you back to Mecca during the time of the prophet. For the moment though you have to listen to the writings about the prophet to understand who Billal was.

Gobbledygook

And if there was indeed a certain Bilal and he was one of Abul Qasim's (aka Muhammad) slaves then why was he not "released" from slavery by Muhammad the Arabian warlord and caravan raider and had to be "released" by the so called Abu Bakr? Any guesses?

>My Answer >>> Hazral Billal was not a slave of the prophet Mohammad , he was a slave of one of the enemies of the prophet in Mecca.

Bogus. As usaul in the islamic tradition he was the slave of a certain Ummaya ibn Khalaf and in other traditions he was a slave of Abu Bakr (see Muqatil) or Muhammad and only Allahu a3lam

>Now when Hazrat

ROTFL Urdu Arabic! Are you aware that the word hazart is a vulgar word in Arabic the language of your masters the Arabs and it means; I will pass gas! So do you plan to pass gas our dear Deb? Now do you see what happens when you become the salve of a foreign language and tradition?

> Billal recited the Shahada for the first time ,

Hello: the first extant al-shahada as in ash hadu ana la ilaha ila allah wa ash hadu ana Muhammadan rasul Allah cannot be dated before the mid of the 2nd century of Islam and for the readers: I urge you to check the inscriptions of al-masjad al-aqsa where you can see clearly that Muslims were still working on al-shahada 72 years after the death of Muhammad. So much for a certain Hazrat (ROTFL) Bilal reciting al-shahada for the first time

>his master decided to punish him by putting a huge rock on his chest as well as putting him under the hot mid-day sun of mecca.

Hello: this is a qissa but again if you can believe that Muhammad spoke to Allah via an angel then you can believe anything

>The owner of Hazrat Billal wanted him to renounce Islam and start worshipping the false gods of the Meccans. But Hazrat Billal endured that terrible pain for some time. Now at this time Hazrat Abu Bakar sold a grat portion of his fortune and purchased Hazrat Billal and then Hazrat Billal was freed.

So why did Abul Qasim not "release" him? Any guesses?

>I hope this answer will satisfy our dear readers.

I will leave this remark to the readers to judge you and judge your ignorance


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How would this solve anything? [60 words]DavidFeb 24, 2010 15:22169359
Compromise [59 words]Albrecht KleinFeb 26, 2010 10:12169359
Another war is surely not the best option. [590 words]HansMar 1, 2010 18:46169359
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To Hans [149 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiMar 28, 2010 15:44169359
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To Taj [5 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiMar 28, 2010 15:48169340
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...Nothing to brag about [212 words]jaFeb 12, 2010 23:49168845
I pray for Sarah Palin to be the next President of the USA [59 words]Debanjan BanerjeeFeb 14, 2010 12:47168845
1whose fault? [350 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanFeb 14, 2010 16:00168845
Our dear Deb and Sara Palin [286 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 14, 2010 17:37168845
Reply to Grand Infidel [950 words]Debanjan BanerjeeFeb 17, 2010 02:00168845
Don't be so hasty... [246 words]KMSFeb 18, 2010 14:50168845
1comments- Mr. Bannerjee [1998 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanFeb 18, 2010 23:45168845
2Our dear Deb and charity starts at home! Read and laugh [748 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 20, 2010 08:40168845
My answers to Grand Infidel [2446 words]Debanjan BanerjeeFeb 21, 2010 03:48168845
2Islam and slavery and al-3abeed wa al-barabra [413 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 21, 2010 14:21168845
1800,000 Hindus can't be wrong [2427 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanFeb 23, 2010 05:17168845
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1still helping the ungrateful [771 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanFeb 26, 2010 03:06168845
1muslims responsible for any crimes? Surely not [811 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanFeb 26, 2010 03:35168845
1Our dear Deb islam and slavery and gem time [1149 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 26, 2010 07:21168845
1Our dear Deb I'm still waiting for your reference that "the number of slaves that Arabs had was miniscule" These are your words [112 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 27, 2010 14:29168845
It's mathematics... [95 words]Debanjan BanerjeeMar 2, 2010 11:21168845
1Our dear Deb I'm still waiting for your reference that "the number of slaves that Arabs had was miniscule" part duex [234 words]dhimmi no moreMar 4, 2010 17:49168845
1Our dear Deb and this time Abul Qasim's last sermon [177 words]dhimmi no moreMar 5, 2010 07:30168845
To DNM [39 words]Debanjan BanerjeeMar 7, 2010 01:20168845
1Muhamma'd's last sermon and the islamic comedy goes on and on [97 words]dhimmi no moreMar 7, 2010 12:34168845
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1To Debanjan Banerjee [18 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiMar 28, 2010 16:07168845
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