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Abd al-Mahmoud and the Qur'an

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Feb 24, 2008 at 07:01

Abd al-Mahmoud wrote

>As a practicing Muslim, I was quite outraged at the comparison of our holy book to "mein kampf". For those of you who have any doubt about the KORAN and its author, the challenge to mankind still stands.

I doubt that you can read the Qur'an in Arabic and you know what? the Qur'an says that islam is the religion of the Arabs only and you ain't no Arab (Q14:4)

>Create one surah on your own that will even come close to it.

Really? It is very easy to write poor literature as the Qur'an is nothing but poor literature. It is a confused and confusing book. It claims to be a kitab mubeen maktub bi 3Arabi which is far from the truth. Without Quranic commentaries the Qur'an does not make any sense. You cannot even reconstruct the life of Abul Qasim (that is his Kunya) aka Muhammad or is it Ahamd or is it Qutham by only reading the Qur'an. The Qura'n is full of foreign words when it claims to be written in 3Arabi faseeh, and it has its share of grammatical errors. And you know what? The variant traditions in the Qur'an is indeed evidence that there was more than one author for "this text with no context."

What is most amazing about the authors of the Qur'an is that the literature of the Syriac speakers and of the Greeks eg: "The seven sleepers of Ephesus" aka Qisat ahl al-kahf and "The Romance of Alexander" aka qisat dhul Qarnain and then these two stories of fiction are called the words of Allah!. Do you know what I call this? I call it plagiarism

And what do you find inspiring in: iqtoloo al-mushrikeen, qatilo ahl al-kitab or not to make friends with non Muslims. You tell us ya ustaz And why does your Allah asks you to: qatil fi sabeel Allah? Why is this violence when your Allah can change our hearts without resorting to such violence unless your Allah is not omnipotent. So is your Allah not omnipotent?

The God of the Qur'an comes across as an angry God who demands to get 1/5 of the loot collected from Infidels (Q8:41) he calls his own creation the Jews: Quruud wa khanazeer. He changes his mind often ( alcohol is Ok then it is forbidden, la ikrah fi al-deen and the infamous iqtoloo al-mushrikeen) and he calls it al-nasikh wa al-mansukh, he declares that human beings can make up their own minds but then he declares it is all about al-qada' wa al-qadr. If this in not confusing theology I have no idea what it is.

Now let me provide you with responses to the silly challenge of "the sura like it":

Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, Virgil's Aenid, Firdawsi's Shahnemah, even the Bible is great as in the Sermon on the Mount, the Hindu Gita, the Dhammapada, the poetry of Omar al-Khayyam etc.... even Harry Potter is more interesting than the Qur'an

> And yes you can use all the computing power you can muster and engage the most brilliant and most eloquent poets and linguists to the challenge.

Islamic gobbledygook. I bet you that you cannot even read the Qur'an in Arabic.

>If you can accomplish this we muslims will abandon our faith. If you fail to do so, please upgrade your code of life to Islam before it is too late for our species.

More Islamic gobbledygook

>There are really only 2 religions left in the world. One is Islam, submission to the creator, and Infinite Greed, all the other so called religions and atheists, aka the religion of theft. Infinite greed will destroy us all within the next 3 generations.

You remind me of communists when they used to say, and to paraphrase what you just wrote:

There are two religions (and yes communism is also a fascist religion not unlike Islam) left in the world One is communism submitting to Karl Marx the creator of the creed of communism the infinte creed and all other so called religions, political sytems and atheists aka the religions of theft not unlike Islam where 1/5 of the theft is supposed to go to Allah and his rasul.

Islam is nothing but Arabian imperialism and it will be defeated in the market place of ideas, just like communism

Submitting....

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1Spot on Churchill! [74 words]MrPitchApr 19, 2010 15:04171453
1Churchill believed in The Protocols and The Jewish Conspiracy and called atheist Jews "malevolent evil" [397 words]AverDec 8, 2009 16:43165516
Churchill Was a Great Leader, But He Was Not Perfect. [169 words]Tom DundeeFeb 27, 2010 17:12165516
2You are wrong, read the full article [354 words]You are wrongJul 28, 2010 14:04165516
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Wilders Film [17 words]AnnMar 24, 2008 14:22123511
5Islam teaches first degree murder in the Kuran (Surah 9.5 )and that is legitimate grounds for outlawing it! [166 words]
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Wrong [5 words]TimJul 20, 2013 10:25121760
What part of Churchill's comparison do you object to, Dr. Pipes? [35 words]
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Wayne WagnerMar 4, 2008 13:13121719
It depends on what you hold sacred. [150 words]Wayne WagnerMar 6, 2008 12:35121719
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Winston Churchill..... What an example to give [56 words]Amin RiazMar 3, 2008 19:36121662
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But the Koran Calls for the Death of Non-Muslims - i.e. Most of Britain [128 words]Nancy DrewMar 1, 2008 04:55121474
The proof is in deeds !.. and not in the words of the Koran ! [187 words]troyFeb 28, 2008 05:00121291
Jokers are in all ages [219 words]MansoorFeb 26, 2008 03:02121105
Mansoor's hypocrisy [338 words]JaladhiFeb 26, 2008 18:47121105
"Mein Kampf" is anti-Semtic, and so is the Qur'an [198 words]jennifer solisFeb 26, 2008 23:00121105
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hypocrisy upon hypocrisy [867 words]Amin RiazMar 4, 2008 18:57121105
1Stay in Pakistan [147 words]SullyMar 5, 2008 08:48121105
Churchill was right: " Right to Return " to Truth. [15 words]Simon NéhméFeb 25, 2008 15:25121049
Mein Kamph and Koran Comparison [30 words]MikeFeb 24, 2008 07:32120951
My Jihad? [15 words]AaronFeb 23, 2008 22:11120920
Islam, a flexible religion [88 words]
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InfidelFeb 23, 2008 22:04120919
Islam, flexibility of religious violence [274 words]VijayFeb 25, 2008 13:09120919
violence of the fundamentalists [310 words]EngelbrektMar 3, 2008 14:34120919
koran is not flexible [251 words]R_notMar 4, 2008 10:33120919
1Why the west is against Islam [154 words]Abdul MahmoudFeb 23, 2008 12:27120869
Abd al-Mahmoud and the Qur'an [723 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 24, 2008 07:01120869
question and abandon islam. [74 words]thomasFeb 24, 2008 16:05120869
The Koranic Challenge [172 words]Paul R.Feb 25, 2008 12:29120869
You are right, mahmoud [59 words]VijayFeb 25, 2008 13:16120869
1Open your eyes [83 words]Rebecca MouldsFeb 25, 2008 21:25120869
1You're outraged? Really? [146 words]DarrellFeb 29, 2008 12:35120869
why Abdul Mahmoud is wrong [152 words]mattMar 1, 2008 15:42120869
Should we ban Islam and the Qur'an? The answer is: No [52 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 23, 2008 07:20120848
Bad Comparison [183 words]AlexFeb 22, 2008 16:09120803
1Lets just be honest about Islam [102 words]Mark GFeb 22, 2008 10:37120788
kosovo [56 words]
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concernedFeb 22, 2008 06:55120779
Kosovo different [93 words]VijayFeb 23, 2008 16:58120779
Islam Has Everything To Do With [261 words]skmillerFeb 25, 2008 10:17120779
Kosovo is related because it shows the fecklessness of US policy [161 words]SullyFeb 29, 2008 01:23120779
Kosovo [164 words]AnnMar 4, 2008 13:56120779
1Churchill's struggle [209 words]Rebecca MouldsFeb 21, 2008 21:13120756
1Apt comparison [86 words]VijayFeb 24, 2008 03:45120756
A question of opportunity [110 words]JonFeb 25, 2008 12:25120756
Precisely . . . [143 words]Rebecca MouldsFeb 25, 2008 21:14120756
Expert of political correctness [23 words]d molinaDec 21, 2008 18:26120756
No, thanks [27 words]Rebecca MouldsDec 21, 2008 18:54120756
Just saying personal feelings [17 words]infidelSep 18, 2015 10:55120756

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