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Avenger's Smoke and Mirror Message
Reader comment on item: Stop the NYC Madrassa
in response to reader comment: And what is wrong with that...

Submitted by Mel Laraway (United States), Aug 22, 2007 at 14:12

"Avenger" (what an ironic name for an Islamofascist) has constructed a tapestry of obfuscation, innuendos, and downright falsehoods. Of course the prophets have always wanted mankind to follow the right path of morality and conformance to the commandments of God.

I agree that society is seriously flawed and that wickednessand sin run rampant in our modern societies, but God does not compel men to be righteous; it was Satan's plan to remove man's agency or freedom of choice and force him to do the right thing. Any religion that compels and forces people to "do right" is of the devil. Men must be guided by the pure love of God to repent and lead moral lives.

To equate political leaders of the Western democracies with totalitarian dictators such as Hitler and Nazism is pure sophistry and is hypocritical in the extreme; radical islam is truly the coersive nazi-like amalgamation of religion and cult fascism in which the end justifies the means, and the objective is to conquer the infidel Kaffir nations and either force them to convert, pay the jizya extortion tax and exist as dhimmis under the boot of their Islamic masters, or be driven out or be killed.

Since when have the prophets of God used force and coersion to spread the Gospel? Only an evil ideology does this. Throughout the world, radical islamists and jihadists are trying to achieve their objectives of islamizing by force and coersion, and crying "opression" and "discrimination" when their intended victims resist.

By the way, the "evil banking and capitalist systems" which "Avenger" rails against have brought great prosperity to the residents of the modern countries, unlike the miserable backwardness of virtually every Muslim country. Sharia law has proved to be a repressive, stultifying, leaden cloak (see Afghanistan under the Taliban, and the miserable state of the Iranians under the corrupt regime of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the wretched status of women in Saudi Arabia, for example). I, for one, will follow Him who preached salvation to all who would commit their lives to Him, and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", not to hate the unbelievers and carry out jihad against innocents.


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City of Immigrants [105 words]ElyseMay 15, 2008 00:31
Abou this whole madrassa talk [210 words]MwesigwaMay 14, 2008 06:21
Oh, that pesky US Constitution [452 words]JeffJun 20, 2008 18:55
That is how Europe had lost their culture. [113 words]ArmageddonSep 4, 2007 01:55
Police are not allowed by Allah to search Mosques , Madrassas and Muslim Locality for Islamic Terrorists !! [257 words]RitaAug 31, 2007 16:23
Be clear in your thoughts [100 words]NishiMay 1, 2008 12:07
where will it stop [31 words]David ShovanAug 30, 2007 00:43
Even President Bush is praising Islamic Centers and Madrassas [192 words]Islamic VoiceAug 25, 2007 11:21
Islamic Voice's hypocrisy!!! [273 words]JaladhiAug 27, 2007 10:20
Isn't it also an opportunity for Muslims? [119 words]JeffAug 28, 2007 20:54
We All Need the Truth [211 words]CheyJul 12, 2008 00:33
The Differences [77 words]CheyJul 12, 2008 01:00
A Nursery for Terrorists [167 words]Arlinda DeAngelisAug 24, 2007 13:09
Islamic laws of great value [169 words]InfidelAug 20, 2007 21:33
What worries me... [129 words]HomefrontAug 20, 2007 19:37
Love that moniker! [15 words]LafnAug 21, 2007 20:36
Continue your good efforts Dan [101 words]Mike KurtzigAug 20, 2007 15:50
Khalil Gibran School A Doomed Concept [152 words]SheenaAug 20, 2007 13:37
Stop the NYC Madrassa [118 words]BarbaraAug 20, 2007 13:11
Stop the NYC Madrassa [80 words]BarbaraAug 20, 2007 13:06
Timely comment! [493 words]Nick4693Aug 23, 2007 19:09
Who owns Islam... [230 words]donvanSep 5, 2007 16:39
religion and academia never served the same purpose [120 words]kantipalaAug 20, 2007 04:21
Nice horse,muslims!?! [191 words]Jorge CordovaAug 19, 2007 15:42
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On intifada [353 words]Archimedes2Aug 18, 2007 22:04
And what is wrong with that... [601 words]AvengerAug 20, 2007 23:02
Simple answer [829 words]Archimedes2Aug 22, 2007 03:49
⇒ Avenger's Smoke and Mirror Message [365 words]Mel LarawayAug 22, 2007 14:12
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Teach Islam and Arabic in mosques and not in public schools on taxpayer's money!!! [224 words]JaladhiAug 22, 2007 10:05
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the menonites teach the students that the earth is flat? Really? [56 words]dhimmi no moreAug 18, 2007 08:19
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The Joke of the Constitutional system in the United States [254 words]HarrakAug 22, 2007 00:38
The Earth is flat? [11 words]lafnAug 22, 2007 17:27
Our Constitution [314 words]LafnAug 22, 2007 17:41
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....even more than that I heard. [51 words]HarrakAug 24, 2007 01:57
Flat Earth [61 words]LafNAug 24, 2007 17:07
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Those Poor Oppressed New York Women. [189 words]maura collinsAug 17, 2007 10:10
Origins [187 words]David W. LincolnAug 16, 2007 19:42
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we will kickout all missionaries ......school [84 words]syed mohammad aliAug 16, 2007 13:28
what missionaries? [55 words]obilicAug 16, 2007 21:38
Stand-up comic [287 words]Nick4693Aug 16, 2007 21:45
Spoken like a true man of the caliphate, Syed [287 words]JeffAug 17, 2007 22:47
Expell Missionaries.... Har!! [112 words]Another InfidelAug 18, 2007 02:33
nobody is actually stopping madrasa [82 words]bosAug 18, 2007 07:20
Our dear Syed and Islamic meltdwon [130 words]dhimmi no moreAug 18, 2007 08:29
i am not the one who loves saudi royal family [169 words]syed mohammad aliAug 19, 2007 04:17
obilic keep dreaming [35 words]syed mohammad aliAug 19, 2007 04:25
You got it right - Nick4693 [154 words]JaladhiAug 19, 2007 13:57
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i am not having dual citizenship [104 words]syed mohammad aliAug 21, 2007 12:47
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sure mr colonel political correctness [158 words]syed mohammad aliAug 26, 2007 13:06
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syed mohammad ali [496 words]shaynaAug 27, 2007 09:00
mr vijay that is a myth [342 words]syed mohammad aliAug 27, 2007 12:42
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Another example !!! [65 words]dfwhite19438Aug 17, 2007 19:04
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There is already another madrassa in NYC
[w/response] [19 words]
dhimmi no moreAug 15, 2007 18:40
dhimmi: I see your frustration with Tabligees [16 words]Janu JannaAug 18, 2007 01:38
Dr Pipes between his big reaction on tax funded Madrassas and his silence on privatly funded Madrassas
[w/response] [111 words]
HarrakAug 19, 2007 12:39
For our dear Janu and his poor logic [5 words]dhimmi no moreAug 21, 2007 06:53
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