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in response to reader comment: The WORD of the LORD is not Contradictory to Itself

Submitted by slayhy (United Arab Emirates), Nov 9, 2011 at 09:42

You say and I quote:"that the WORD of the LORD is, in and of itself, not contradictory to itself."

I absolutely Agree, the word of the Lord Allah is one, there is no contradiction in all what he sent to all prophets, including Jesus Al-Maseeh, That is Worship the One GOD and do not associate partners with Him, believe in the Angels, Books, Destiny (Good or Bad), Messengers (We do not distinguish one from the other) and the Hereafter)

Then you said and I quote: "But you ask for proof" - Yes, I ask for proof many messengers had proof from their God, what are miracles for - Abraham ask His God to show him proof, Moses did the same thing, Jonah had proof, Ezra, Zechariah, Solomon, David, ..............................etc

I have proof that the Quran is from God, but you would not listen, because you don't want to believe. What is in the Quran not only what the Torah and the Gospel brought forth, but more than that - The Jews they believe their is only One God, they don't believe the Messiah is a God when he will come, they know he will be from God, BUT NOT GOD. And they are right that he is not God, but they are wrong that they are waiting for him to come, because he already arrived, but will come back again.

Yes I want proof, because your books are not pure, not genuine of God's words. There are impurities in them. And I demonstrated to you the difference between the way we were taught by God and the way you are taught by the impurities in your books, there is a big difference. Our Book is better, it teaches the way God wants us to be.

2. As for Israel, I quote to you what the Book (Qur-an) says so you know what calamity will come on Israel, in Chapter 17, this chapter in the Quran has two names, Isra (Ascension) and Bani Israel (Children of Israel)

"And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that indeed you would do mischief on the earth twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant![Quran17:4]

- (And We said): "If you do good, you do good for your own selves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves." Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to make your faces sorrowful and to enter the mosque (of Jerusalem) as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands. [Quran 17:6]

- And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) on the earth]. We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd (gathered out of various nations)." [Quran 17:104]

so the promise of the coming of Israel, is being fulfilled, but for different purposes. Gd want to gather them to destroy them by the hands of Jesus Al-Maseeh, when he comes back. But is this written in you books, no, they will wipe it out. the wrath on children of Israel is known that is to scatter them all over the earth

Then you say and I quote: ".... (by) English translations ..... is difficult to understand....

That is not true, how come we have thousands over thousands of people who is English is not the first language but still the Quran in English and they undersrtand and there are many English speaking converts to Islam. This perception is wrong, As I said, if you read yousuf Ali or others they give translation with explanation, but not the pure words, except in the case of (Muhammad Khan and Al-Hilali) both together they produced translation to the Quran word for word, you have many books in English in the market for the interpretation of the meaning of the verses. This is not excuse

The issue with Shiite is completely different , it is not theology, it is politics, their interpretation of the Quran is almost similar (I cannot say complete), but they do not approve of Hadith (saying of the prophet) gathered by Sunni Muslims, they have their own books, also as I said before they put Ali and his sons higher than Muhammad. They have too many heresy some thing that is not original there in the teachings of Muhammad. Sunni Muslims are on the right track, why on earth since the death of Muhammad and the advent of Shiite sec, their number is not increase in the same degree as the Sunni, we are 1.6 billion, they are 150 million, they represent 10% and this number include all sect's that come out of Shiite

We do notice that in Christianity there are so many sect far more than in Islam. and far more divided, even the bible no. of chapters is different.

It is not anti-Christian as you say as if we hate Christians or Jews, no it is not that, we Muslims are ordered to treat all kind of minorities with respect and in peace, but unfortunately you cannot see the truth in front of your eyes, and that is why I am expressing the contradiction is just to show where is wrong in your bible. At least we believe that there is a bible and should've been God's words, but they unfortunately were corrupted. and the proof is given to you time and time

Then You say and I quote: "You still continue to want validation ............of the Quran as your 'revealed' scripture"

Well I have sent you some proof of Muhammad Prophecies that are true, I am not sure if you received them, may be they were too many, it was not published, I will send you a small dose at a time

Here is the first 4 - They are too many by the way

Prophecies in the Quran that were fulfilled (4 out of (so far 10 fulfilled)

These prophecies are in the Quran (i.e. god's words), as for Muhammad prophecies, (that is not in the Quran i.e. not God words), will be sent later, after we finish the Quran first

1. The triumph of the Byzantines over the Persians

The Romans have been defeated in a land close by, but they, after their defeat, will be victorious, within nine years. God's is the command in the former case and in the latter, and on that day believers will rejoice, with the help of God. He helps to victory whom He wills. He is the All-Mighty, the All-Compassionate. [qur-an 30: (1-5)]

The Byzantines were defeated and suffered very badly by The Persians 7 year before this verse was revealed, no one thought they would survive or have a come back. The Persians seized and controlled all the areas that were occupied by Byzantines. After 7 years of the above prophecy the Byzantines were victorious over the Persians.

2. The Qur'an gave the news of the conquest of Makkah two years after

this verse was revealed

In truth, God fulfilled the vision of His Messenger: You will surely enter the Sacred Mosque, if God wills, in full security; you will have your heads shaved, your hair shortened, and you will have nothing to fear. He knew what you knew not, and He granted, besides this, a near victory. He it is Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion. God is enough for a witness. [quran 48: (27–8)]

3. The Qur'an gave the news that the dead body of Pharaoh would one day be discovered

Today We shall preserve your body that you may be a sign to those after you: although most men give no heed to Our signs. [quran 10:92]

The discovery of the mummified Pharaoh was in 1898 AD, the discovery that the cause of his death was established in late 1980's – by Dr. Maurice Bucaille

4. The Uncle of Muhammad (a) was unbeliever. The below verse was revealed 10 years before this uncle death. And he died unbeliever. His death was a terrible death by disease.

Perish the hands of Abu Lahab (the Father of Flame!), Perish he!(1) No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!(2) He will be burnt in a Fire of Blazing Flame! (3) And his wife who carries the (crackling) wood (to put in the way of the prophet) - As fuel!-(4) In (around) her neck a twisted rope of palm-leaf fibre (5) [quran 111: (1-5)]


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