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'war'-Its Inevitability Already Forecasted

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Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), Sep 19, 2011 at 16:07

Let us open with the mention in the last paragraph of your previous observation; "I am personally angry to(wards) you people."

There are many reasons from which are born the issues of anger, hatred. You mention you cannot 'hate Jews totally,' but you state there is hatred: therein lays the problem-hatred. It is not 'just an issue,' it is a fundamental issue. It is brought forward to lead this counter observation; that hatred blinds when truth is trying to let the light in. Without understanding things in the light of truth, then all is argumentative and nothing good will emerge.

Your opening line in response to the observation I have made is a characterization that if democracy is given a chance in Arab/Muslim countries, then the people can enjoy lives of freedom and riches. This seems to contradict the tenets of those who are trying to obtain control over a people they appear to consider incapable of governing themselves without resorting to the 'immoral' ways of democratic societies. It is a western concept that freedom of the individual is allowed to be expressed without government interference, a concept not readily applicable in places that are trying to impose shari'a law.

You indicate that Turkey is no longer under a 'military' dictatorship; that Erdogan and the people of Turkey are not under the influence of the military. This is not the face being presented to the West. Further, the military in Turkey has conscripts under Muslim ideological influences, which in and of itself, is just as influenced as those who serve in the Egyptian military. While the old guard leadership is sidelined, those who bear allegiance to the new government are just as they were in the past-only the order of hierarchy has changed.

If, as you allege, that Mr. Erdogan and Turks in general are not Islamist in nature, then there is a great misunderstanding that is assumed by more than Dr. Pipes and others of my persuasion. This is not surprising, for it is widely reported in the media not controlled by the west of the things presented to the local population which is different than that presented to the west. Were that true, then it would seem that other powers are in control and the Turkish people are under some illusion not being presented by the powers that be. The question could be posed-in whom does one trust?

Now in the background of this you bring up Israel as a concern, as well as you should; for if things continue the way they are going, your allusion to war is not far off. In that regard, Turkey's position in the Middle East has always made that land susceptible to the intentions of invaders and marauders alike, a situation that unfortunately for the Turkish people is not likely to end soon.

You appear to be under the presumption that former imperialist powers are still at play, that the Arab/Muslim world would be better off not engaging in business with them. It is not that simple. There are few, if any, modern governments that can claim to be empires; that the powers of money behind the government are the brokers of investment strategy with politics being tools to further their aims. But a greater power is behind that as well, and Turkey appears too caught up with that also.

Now Israel is, indeed, faced with a dilemma of global proportions, and if it is not already guessed, Turkey is already embroiled with that, by their own volition being placed on the front lines. It is inescapable. But here is a clue-Israel will fare better than Turkey. Turkey, just as it happened in the former Ottoman Empire, will find itself wondering after it is all done-what happened? You pose that you hope you do not go to war. Unfortunately, Erdogan and his government, with the military in full colusion, have already engaged in the preliminaries leading up to it. It is their pride that cannot be stopped that will be the cause of dashing your hopes


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