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The islamic historical tradition is the biggest literary fraud in the history of mankind

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Oct 2, 2010 at 07:51

Our dear Khaled is lecturing us in north america about the way our native people were treated but does he care about his Hindu ancestors where 90M of them killed in cold blood by his masters the Muslims that invaded India? and would he give his home in Canada (where his welfare check and the cost of his health care is paid by kuffar in Canada) to our native people and then he can head back to let us say Mecca?

>Do You know mu3awiyya!

And do you know what is the 3?

>Who is he! What is his full name? How is his father? Where is he born? Where did he grow up? and what is his life?You do not know anything of that?

If we turn to all extant literary sources we will find his name in Arabic and in Greek

Greek: Abdella Mouaouia amirulmoumnin or the servant/slave of Allah Mu3awiyya the prince/commander of the faithful and this is in hammat gader (the Gader or gadara baths) in the year 42AH or 662CE or some 30 years after the death of your so called prophet

Arabic: 3Abd allah M3WYA (no short vowels) amir al-mu'minin or Mu3awiyya the slave/servant of Allah the prince of the faithful in the year 42AH or 662CE

Arabic in Taif M3WYA amir al-Mu'minin 58AH

Coins minted in the year 41AH or 661AH in Pahlavi

Maawia amir i wruishnikan (41AH or 661CE) or Mu3awiyya the prince/commander of the faithful

For the readers: you can find all the extant literary sources be it coins papyri epigraphy or monuments in Hoyland's survey of early islamic sources and he divides them into before and after the year 72AH or abour 692CE

And here is your bonus for you our dear Khaled the wannabe Arab: You will not find the name of Muhammad in the literary sources before the year 72AH or 72 years after his death in 632CE why is that our dear Khaled the wannabe Arab? could it be because Muhammad never existed and this Muhammad is really the old pre-Nicene Syrian Muhammadan abd allah of the blessed is the servant of Allah and guesss who si the blessed? It is Jesus!

So where would i find the bogus Mu3awiyya ibn abi Sufian in any of these EXTANT literary sources? any guesses?

For the readers: This ibn abi Sufian was all made up by the islamic tradition where Arabs never heard a qissa or story that they did not like

>How is Mu3awiyya. Here are some sold facts, FACTS not opinions

Stop it you are ignorant

>or thoughts or assumptions.Do you know how to differentiate between facts and other Data/ideasHow is Mu3awiyya:Mu3awiyya bin Abi-Sufyan was born 602 in the city of Makkah. His clan Banu Abd-Shams were among the most influential of its citizens and his Father was the most important figure in Makkah at that time.In 632, he served in the Islamic army sent against the Byzantine forces in Syria. He held a high rank in the army which was led by his brother Yazid ibn Abu Sufyan.

So where would I find his name as Mu3awiyya ibn abi Sufian in the exatnat literary sources? You will not find it. how come it does not exist? Do you know why? Because it was all made up by the biggest literary fraud in the history of mankind

For the readers: Muslims started to write their history in the late 2nd and early 3rd century of Islam and just imagine if you or I are trying to write a biography of let us say George Washington more than 200 years after his death with no written literary sources? We will end with a biography but it will be all bogus

Thersfore the islamic historical tradition has serious problems and they are:

1. The tradition is very late

2. It is as expected tendentious

3. It is no more than what is called salvation history or what the pious believed happened but it is not "what really happened"

4.Mecca is a late literary creation

5. The 3Abbassids that really invented islam had nothing good to say about the Umayyads who were really local Christian Arabs

5. Mu3awiyya is the first real character that is attested in the saga of what was to become Islam

>In the year 640, Umar (Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab) appointed Mu3awiyya as governor of Syria when his brother Yazid died in an outbreak of plague. Mu3awiyya gradually gained mastery over the other areas of Syria, instilling remarkable personal loyalty among his troops and the people of the region. By 647, Mu3awiyya had built a Syrian army strong enough to repel a Byzantine attack and, in subsequent years, to take the offensive against the Byzantines in campaigns that resulted in the capture of Cyprus (649) and Rhodes (654) and a devastating defeat of the Byzantine navy off the coast of Lycia (655). At the same time, Mu3awiyya periodically dispatched land expeditions into Anatolia.

Bogus history Omar al-Farooq more likely than not never existed and the imaginary al-khulafa' al-rashiduun never existed otherwise how come we do not have a single literary source that tell us anything about these characters before 250 years after the death of Muhammad? any guesses?

>And you tell me he is a Christian man from Syria.I want just to show you the quality of your information and knowledge.When we discuss any issue is for us to benefit out of it. Not to get madSorry, but you are not the kind of people I would enjoy discussing general issue with them.Goodbye

Now back to Mu3awiyya:

1. Why did he select Damascus as his capital and not miserable Mecca any guesses? This would be like when the Brits invaded India and then decided to make Delhi the capital of the Empire! The only explanation here is that Mu3awiyya was a local Syrian Arab and he more likely than not has never been to this imaginary Mecca

2. Why would an Arab has a Syriac name? Let me help you his name is from the Semitic root 3WY and in Syriac which would have been his literary language it would be Mu3awiyya and in Arabic it would be al-3Awi or he who weeps/howl/scream so why is his name not al-3awi? any guesses

3. And why would he have his cutlic center as kanisat yuhanna al-mi3midani in Damscus and not that pagan temple in Mecca called al-Ka3bba any guesses?

Oh the Arabic? I do not translate arabic for wannabe arabs like you

4. And wht would the Umayyads have their moto as "Muhammsdan abd Allah" or the blessed (Jesus) is the servant of Allah straight from old Syrian pre-Nicene Christianity? Any guesses?

5. And why would Mu3awiyya have a CROSS itched next to his name in the gader/Gadara bath inscription? Any guesses? and why do we have crosses on many cions minted by the early Umayyads any guesses?

So let me help you the following will be accepted as evidence:

1. kutub al-turath al-islami

2. Extant litreray sources be it by non Muslims or in Arabic and notice that I did not write Muslims as I do believe that islam did not exist until the 3Abbassids revolution in 750CE

The follwing will not accepted as evidence

1. My Mullah I mean my Imam told me so

2. Zakir Naik said so

3. wikipedia articles written by tablighees like you

Good luck because you will need it

And I urge you to leave islam and be free again

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