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It is time to get nasty....
Reader comment on item: Is Turkey Going Islamist?
in response to reader comment: Turkey and the European Union

Submitted by David Mac Artain (Czech Republic), May 27, 2006 at 22:28

"It is time to get nasty". i have rarely seen an opening sentence that so definitely set the tone of the subsequent piece. Octavio Johanson is basically recycling the rabid scare mongering of `The Daily Mail` and `The Daily Express` produced prior to every enlargement of the EU.
Before Spain and Portugal joined, we were going to be swamped by a torrent of cheap Iberian peasants. Two years after, the number of Portuguese and Spanish people in France and Germany had DECREASED by over 300,000 - they went home. Then we were threatened by an army of Greek waiters, which also failed to materialise.

Next was the entry of the New Ten, and again there was the 2,000,000 Roma expected to flood across the borders and reduce European (specifically British) Social Welfare systems to rubble. France was terrified by the idea of the `Polish Plumber`, despite the fact that it is easier to get an appointment with a neurosurgeon in Paris than a plumber!
I am waiting for the same scare stories when Romania and Bulgaria are accepted for entry in either 2007 or 2008. It is easy/lazy journalism - just change dates and countries` names, throw in some frightening statistics which have no basis, and sell lots of papers by frightening people.

Mr Johanson also ignores one salient fact of human nature, which is that people don`t want to move away from their friends, family, social support network, language and country. They will only move if there are compelling reasons. Also, people are only mobile in Europe if they have language skills.
Only 4% of the old 15 countries`citizens live outside their own country. Only 1.5% of the workforce of the old member states work outside their own country. In a European Union with a population of 454.7 million, this is not even a drop in a bucket.
Also, given the current demographic profile of most EU states, getting greyer by the day, we may be looking at a situation where we will be trying desperately to entice young educated Turks to move to Europe, and they will say "Thanks, but no thanks!" Europe, according to a recent UNDP report will need about 120 million immigrants just to keep the economic system ticking over.

Two final points to contemplate. a) Who will be working to pay taxes to fund your pension?
b) The three countries of the Old 15 which opened their labour markets after May 10th, Britain, Ireland and Sweden, are also the three countries with the best performing economies of the Old 15.


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Turkey and Shariat [454 words]David Mac ArtainMay 27, 2006 23:32
Response to Balikesirli and Zubair & Gotlieb [127 words]Bige VonaFeb 13, 2006 19:43
Wow [179 words]BalikesirliFeb 10, 2006 21:39
to the 'WOW' comment [46 words]MuglaliNov 21, 2007 05:22
Ignorance or American Plans? [388 words]Deniz Bülent TolgaDec 24, 2005 09:10
what is perception is not always the truth [416 words]Bige vonaFeb 12, 2006 20:58
No one can defeat Islam [81 words]Zubair KhanNov 30, 2005 07:07
Response to Zubair Khan [262 words]Gadget GottlierJan 16, 2006 13:35
You have to think deeply about what you are talking about :) [315 words]Mary smithOct 17, 2006 16:13
Violence Assisted Religion [419 words]Alan GreerDec 22, 2006 18:20
America is number 1 and will defeat islam [11 words]Born In The USAOct 6, 2009 14:46
Bad news for my people [116 words]Johnny CarpatiNov 13, 2005 16:15
How can a Muslim go Islamist? [103 words]Fahri SahinNov 7, 2005 16:03
"Going" Fundemantalist [60 words]Alan GreerDec 22, 2006 18:27
The land of love and tolerance [148 words]Fahri ŞahinOct 30, 2005 07:47
Turkish Headscarves [8 words]SophieOct 25, 2005 13:25
What if the conventional wisdom of our leaders is wrong on Turkey? [96 words]alanOct 18, 2005 08:38
Response to Alan [436 words]SULTANOct 19, 2005 10:54
EU is not deserving the TURKISH presence [112 words]HUSEYIN YILMAZOct 6, 2005 15:17
No! [521 words]SULTANSep 22, 2005 15:30
So Sadly True [71 words]Hannah WhalenSep 15, 2005 21:21
YES, IT IS ON the WAY to SHERI'A.. [74 words]Mr.Dincer KisogluSep 4, 2005 08:04
NO to Turkey [279 words]ChristosAug 27, 2005 10:51
HOW DARE THEY! [153 words]h.koisserSep 26, 2006 10:37
WHY SHOULDN'T TURKEY ENTER THE EU [55 words]MihailidisMay 29, 2009 03:12
It depends on what do you mean by islamist [48 words]GuclucerJul 6, 2005 05:38
Let's have some empathy and less prejudice [263 words]AyeshaJul 2, 2005 14:35
Raise your hand if you think Turkey is going Islamist [22 words]Angelo GuidaJun 15, 2005 21:02
Who would be surprised? [34 words]Glenn KlotzJun 14, 2005 16:54
Let them have a Khilafah [67 words]Stuart MiddletonJun 13, 2005 17:43
Turkey [362 words]WernerJun 12, 2005 12:40
Turkey In The EU / Have Babies, Allah Wants Them [53 words]Eric VanhoveJun 12, 2005 08:58
What does the military have to say? [31 words]Eric VanhoveJun 12, 2005 08:49
IS TURKEY GOING ISLAMIST? [9 words]Fred KellerJun 10, 2005 18:30
Bravo Dr. Pipes [55 words]BrunoJun 10, 2005 14:41
Erdoğhas been there, done that
[w/response] [91 words]
Howard VeitJun 10, 2005 10:58
Can't agree more [126 words]PavelJun 10, 2005 10:14
Turkophobia does not exist [305 words]Octavio JohansonJun 10, 2005 05:14
TURKPOHOBIA exists !!! [89 words]Anton RangelovMay 15, 2007 16:41
We do not want any European immigration [156 words]mehmetMay 30, 2008 02:36
Turkey and the European Union [153 words]Octavio JohansonJun 10, 2005 02:36
⇒ It is time to get nasty.... [423 words]David Mac ArtainMay 27, 2006 22:28
Erdogans gamble [415 words]WernerJun 9, 2005 02:19
Benefit or liability? Response to Werner. [297 words]DavidJun 9, 2005 23:20
Is ARI credible?
[w/response] [51 words]
PatJun 8, 2005 17:57
Turkish AntiSemitism and the Islamist Agenda [75 words]Robert CormanJun 8, 2005 11:39
ISLAM AND DEMOCRACY DON'T MIX [84 words]Bill SweeneyJun 8, 2005 11:27
Winning by Infiltration [177 words]Darwin BarrettJun 7, 2005 17:39
Turkey [101 words]Donald W. BalesJun 7, 2005 15:43
This is inevitable [45 words]Arvind MadhavanJun 7, 2005 13:43
Bias against DoD subcontractors in Turkey [367 words]'James'Jun 7, 2005 12:28
Turkey in the EU [70 words]concerned citizen of EUJun 7, 2005 11:35
Turkey [133 words]Paul RinderleJun 7, 2005 11:15
Muslim - Christian populations [447 words]IremFeb 9, 2006 11:26
A response to dear Paul [195 words]haci sanliOct 29, 2007 17:38
Could not agree with you more [95 words]Harun HassouniJun 7, 2005 10:48
I've been making the same observations about Turkey [113 words]Madhur SharmaJun 7, 2005 09:15
Some of the basics on Turkey... [283 words]Barin KayaogluJan 15, 2006 02:54
Affermative: Turkey is going Islamist [193 words]Octavio JohansonJun 7, 2005 08:16
Reply to commenter Octavio Johanson [81 words]GuclucerJul 6, 2005 05:51
Response to Armanien Genocide remark [72 words]Bige VonaFeb 13, 2006 20:48

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