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Israel: Secular Vs Torah

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Submitted by Yoven (United States), May 17, 2006 at 16:52

My stance on the Israeli conflict remains the same, Palestine does not have the right to exist and the pullout from Gaza was the biggest mistake. What's next "A pullout from New-Jersey"? Israel has to be regarded by its citizens and the world as a secular strong nation, a nation that can protect its territories, a nation that dominates the middle east, a nation that can gain more land by using diplomatic or military action. Instead of pullout from Gaza and West Bank, Isreal should take over Syria and anex the whole country as a mere province! Israel should be a nation that is so great that even the Saudis would even turn their back on Mecca and start facing Jerusalem, after all aren't they the chosen people of God! But that is only a dream, reality is a different picture.

I could be angry at the Israeli government but there is nothing much that me or the world can do save the Israelis, they voted and democratically chose their government. Maybe the US, UN or any other non-Islamic country should overtake Israel and secure its borders because they seem not to be able to do the job themselves and it goes the same for Gaza, West bank, Palestine, Al-queda state or whatever you might want to call it.

For Israel to prosper and dominate the Middle east and excel in world geopolitics, it has to show the world that it can assume responsibility for itself and be accountable for what it does. The USA is a superpower not because of world opinion but because it has work hard to acheive this level of excellence that no other country can match. Islamists living in the USA can agree or disagree with the USA, but one thing is darn sure, Islamists never received any letter of invitation or bouquet to come to the US, but au contraire is free to leave the Infidel state whenever they please or we will jail you or deport you when the right time comes. If you live in the USA, you have to love the USA or get out, we don't need and certainly don't want you.

Getting back on topict, Israel has to increase its military arsenal so that not even Iran would piss in their pants only by hearing the word Israel, If you can force Israelis to vacate their house, why can't you do the same to the Palestinians (what is a Palestinian?) Is the land of their holy prophet not good enough. There is couple logical solutions of this middle east conflict. 1st: If the Palestinians love Hamas so dearly, then why not go to the source, take your huts and move to mecca, then you don't need Hamas, you would feel the love of your holy prophet 24/7, what more better than that can you get? 2nd: The Jews were the original inhabitants of Israel, Are you a Jew? Then where do you come from? Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi, Turkey...? Every Palestinian should find out their origin and go back home, if you are an orphan and still chose to be Muslim, then Saudi should be paradise of earth and that is where you should belong. In any case, there are about 57 muslim nations out there, join your brothers, why not go settle in beautiful Iran where you would be surronded by Muslim nations and enjoy nuclear leaders vision of wiping Israel off the map. After all if your Iranian brothers wipe Israel off the map, you certainly would be off the map as well.

Until their promise Messiah comes knocking at the door to save the temple , the Israelites should live under a secular eye, they have to protect and advance their nation as free people and not by the distant dream of being the last chosen people of God. God cannot help you unless you help yourself, you have to be strong and protect the soveignity of your country. The Palestinians do not want a piece of your beloved Israel but the whole thing and there is nothing that you can do to appease them, they will eat you block by block.

This a not a matter of world peace but a matter of Survival, do not kill the promised Messiah before even its arrival and if you do change your mind about Jesus being the Messiah, then its your duty not only to take over Gaza and West Bank but the greater area of Israel. How I see it is that the Promise Messiah is here, he lives in every person that fights for the pride of Israel, the messiah lives in anyone that says no to the pullout of Gaza & West Bank, the messiah lives in any one that support the Jewish cause and the cause of the free people of this earth, after all we are humans but some of us has been blinded into darkness by the Cult of Mohamedism.

Shalom, Shalom, long live Israel from a non Abrahamic faith based Person.


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