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With respect, a Strong Dissent

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Submitted by Ron Thompson (United States), Aug 23, 2016 at 22:15

The most relevant fact about the various head, body, and face coverings of Muslim women would seem to be that HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of them in majority-Muslim countries, lack the freedom to choose to not wear these coverings.
I am always amazed that this 'detail' gets overlooked in any discussion of Muslim dress codes for women.
Do not these mandatory coverings, the violation of which is subject to harsh and even lethal penalties, constitute, by numbers, the largest Civil Rights abuse on the planet? (if one ignores the basic freedoms that all Muslims, male and female, lack in Muslim-majority countries)
Is the conclusion too harsh that any Muslim woman who chooses to wear a burkina or a burqa, or even a mere head covering, is either Ignorant or Indifferent to the state of non-freedom with regard to dress and human individuality that HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of her 'sister' Muslims must live with?
I never see a head-covered Muslim woman without thinking that I am not looking at a personal fashion choice or an act of piety, still less an expression of 'modesty', but at a political statement - a statement moreover that is harshly uncomplimentary to women in general if one remembers the underlying brutal, even pathological rationales in Islam for why women's bodies, hair and even faces must be covered.
I therefore fully support and compliment the French for their ban on the burkina as well as
the veil. Nor do I see much difference between the tent-like burqa and the full-body burkina -
both deny female individuality and self-expression.
Finally, when Dr Pipes regards the burkina ban as a trivial matter this seems inconsistent with his immediately following article in support of the Brat bill, which bill I applaud and agree with.
What precisely is the difference between demanding respect for religious reciprocity, and calling, in effect, for reciprocity regarding female choice in matters of dress?
You won't allow churches or synagogues in your country. We won't allow the political statement involved in sartorial unfreedom for women in our country (even if individual Muslim women in the West may be exercising a choice - whose absence for women in Muslim majority countries they care nothing about).
Incidentally, I feel the same way when I see Muslim men praying in military formation. If
churches and synagogues (and buddhist temples, etc) are not allowed in Saudi Arabia, Saudis,
and Muslims from other countries without religious freedom, should not be allowed to pray in public in military formation. Such formations, besides the embarrassing posture, seem far more intended
to intimidate than to express humility or piety.


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Title Commenter Date Thread
UK police may let Muslims wear burka as uniform in effort to boost diversity [20 words]
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FormerStudentSep 9, 2016 15:47232477
modern kit [64 words]Mohammed Waza Khiddif id'UllahSep 15, 2016 03:21232477
Re: Your comment [132 words]
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Jonathan KeilerAug 29, 2016 17:23231944
1Hillary would look fabulous in Burkini [140 words]Bakrdi151Aug 28, 2016 03:25231863
1Burkini looks ugly [96 words]PrashantAug 27, 2016 22:07231846
power over reason [60 words]
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mythAug 26, 2016 20:28231805
Cote d'Azur and the socially undesirables [75 words]mythAug 26, 2016 20:25231804
1You are refreshingly harsh towards Muslim sharia [120 words]
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BillAug 25, 2016 09:15231736
Nazi symbol [19 words]
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marlanAug 25, 2016 06:10231734
Propaganda [73 words]BenAug 24, 2016 15:03231703
Burkini [43 words]Steven Boldovitch (Liberal member /Toronto East-York)Aug 24, 2016 13:06231698
Burkini [178 words]David MCAug 24, 2016 08:29231681
1With respect, a Strong Dissent [435 words]Ron ThompsonAug 23, 2016 22:15231665
Yes! [13 words]Ruth SklarAug 23, 2016 20:26231663
4So let's ban black Nazi uniforms but not the grey ones! [714 words]UNCLE VLADDIAug 23, 2016 19:37231662
1Muslim garments are a uniform for IFF [70 words]DavePAug 24, 2016 05:51231662
Of Muslims and Nazis, etc. [498 words]Michael SAug 24, 2016 11:12231662
my Burkini comment [10 words]Joan RibiDec 8, 2016 12:22231662
Burkini [2879 words]Iftikhar AhmadAug 23, 2016 16:10231653
Burkini or Bust [106 words]
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WilliamAug 23, 2016 15:42231651
Let's compromise [15 words]Abu NudnikAug 23, 2016 14:35231647
1Dr. Pipes, you rather miss part of the point. [263 words]Anon.Aug 23, 2016 13:49231644
1100% support the BAN!!! [64 words]ullaAug 23, 2016 13:06231643
1Burquinis AND Burquas should be banned [304 words]
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Lorna SalzmanAug 23, 2016 12:40231641
2Re: Burquinis AND Burquas should be banned [46 words]WHSAug 27, 2016 03:40231641
ban on burkinis [80 words]KikaAug 29, 2016 14:20231641
Homophobia is deplorable and has nothing to do with the burquini issue [140 words]Lorna SalzmanAug 30, 2016 11:15231641
Christians also wear "burkinis" [88 words]Peter ChewAug 23, 2016 11:19231631
Birkini in Saudi Arabia? Never [96 words]dhimmi no moreAug 26, 2016 08:46231631
waiting for France to lead the way and ban all things Islamic [30 words]OliverAug 23, 2016 10:26231629
4The burkini and the burqa AND the veil are all flags of conquest [61 words]Bernado StevensAug 23, 2016 10:13231628
Conquest? Really! [167 words]stevenlSep 1, 2016 10:18231628
L' opinion d' une Musulmane Francaise. About male androgenic chauvinism!!! [704 words]stevenlSep 6, 2016 16:44231628
Islamic Gear A Kind Of Rorschach Test [186 words]DaveAug 23, 2016 09:56231624
ban burka [101 words]dianne gallenAug 23, 2016 09:55231622
Sometimes I wish more women would wear the burkini ... [25 words]David KoralAug 23, 2016 09:32231618
Fiddling while Rome burns [95 words]DavePAug 23, 2016 09:17231616
1Are Burins safe in the water? [95 words]dhimmi no moreAug 23, 2016 08:34231614
Washington's allies [263 words]PerraultAug 23, 2016 03:57231609
1Sense at last [62 words]ECAWAug 23, 2016 02:10231608
Today, the Burkini... [52 words]Mal CitronAug 23, 2016 01:14231607
3Missing the point [53 words]stevenlAug 23, 2016 01:10231606
absolutely right [12 words]gray manAug 30, 2016 06:26231606
Could a Burkini become a BOOM-KINI? [48 words]Mike RamirezAug 22, 2016 23:40231605
3Yes, I agree. What the French are doing makes no practical sense. [88 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Michael SAug 22, 2016 22:11231603
yes agree [51 words]angela greerAug 23, 2016 15:40231603

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