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حاميها حراميها or the thief is the one who is protecting it and Turkey is a vile country

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Apr 2, 2014 at 19:07

Hi Mike

Establish the Caliphate! It appears that this is underway at this point in history.

It is not that simple. The Muslim masorites had great difficulty in trying to explain the word Khalifa because it is supposed to be from the Semitic root Kh-L-F as in he who follows (as in Allah's deputy or Allah's successor) and compare this with the NT Elahi Elahi lema Sabachtani where the word Sabachtani is from the root S-B-Q or to go ahead of me or leave me behind and indeed in classical Arabic we are told that the word is really المُسْتَخْلَفُ or al-Mustakhlif and not Khalifa

The word al-Mustakhlif really means he who follows but as you shall see who was the one to be followed? the answer is unclear.

The word al-Khalifa could be very well from Aramaic as it is very strange to have a Ta marbouta (which makes the word a feminine word when it is not a feminine word) at the end of the word which could very well be the Aramaic Alip

Now early on Muslims view the one in charge of the emerging Muslim community as in charge of both the profane as well as the sacred and he was called خليفة الله or Khalifatu Allah or he who is the one who follows Allah or in other word he was both the spokesman for Allah and he was also the one in charge of the profane as in running the state

Later on the Ulama wanted part of the action and wanted to control the sacred and this is why the title of the Kahlifa became خليفة رسول الله or Khalifat Rasul Allah or he who is a deputy (to follow) of Muhammad the prophet of Allah and this is very well documented in coins extant from the first 2-3 centuries of Islam

This really means that what was to become islam was still evolving and did not drop from the sky as we are told

For more information on this very interesting anomaly sea Crone's great book "God's Caliph"

Well in the case of the Shia it is a very different story but the point is what is really al-Khalifa? there is no clear answer and case in point many Muslims regarded the clueless Morsi as Khalifatu Allah ( it makes you woner if he had a phone connection with Allah) but not many of them and on top of the list would be Sheikh al-Azhar who would not want to see him in charge of the sacred or Sheikh al-Azhar will be out of a job in other words Sheikh al-Azhar would want to be the Pope of Islam

Nothing is ever clear in Islam

The nation of Turkey is seeking to play a pivotal role in uniting the Islamic world (all sects) under one banner of Islam.

1. Surprise surprise: The Arabs do not like the Turks and you need to read Mohamed Abdu to realize that Arabic speaking Muslims would not want to have non Arabic speakers to be in charge of them and they regarded the Turks as "wannabe Arabs" and not "the real McCoy"

2. The Shia never want to have anything to do with Sunni Islam not back then and not now and many Shia Ayatollahs believe that world terrorism is attributed to Sunni Islam so I tell the clueless Turks good luck if they think for a minute think that they can be in charge of the Shia

The Shia have more in common with Catholic Christainty than they have with Sunni Islam

The reviving of the Ottoman Empire plans to reel in the extremist/jihadists so as to tone down their violent forced conversions and persecutions of non-Muslims and western/secular societies.

You are kidding. The Turks committed so much crimes the likes of the Armenian genocide and they murdered 2M Greeks and 700,000 Syrian Christians and many Greeks and Armenians and Syrians escaping these crimes were welcomed by both Muslims and Christians in the Middle East and were saved from being murdered by the barbarian Turks and Muslims in that part of the world know very well about these crimes

The Turks ... denying to this day that any of these crimes took place and it is shocking that of all nations in the Middle East it is the government of Israel does not recognize such crimes when Egypt and its government recognize the Armenian Genocide

The thrust will be to establish Islam as the superior religion but still allow tolerance for non-Muslims - although the jizyah tax will remain in effect.

The Turks hate to be reminded that their own ancestors the Greeks and Syrians and Armenians were brutalized by the barbarian Turks that came from central Asia what can i tell you

The Sufi sect will most likely assist in the development so as to help establish the form of "Moderate Islam" that is wished for by the societies who are plagued by the terror, violence and present-day religious persecutions perpetrated by the extreme fundamental followers of the Qur'an, Sunnah and Ahadith of Muhammad.

Surprise surprise Sufis are regarded by Sunnis as kuffar oh you do not believe me? just google the attacks on Sufi shrines by criminal jihadis

But again delusions is very much a Turkish attribute what can I tell you


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