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Submitted by Martin Horan (United Kingdom), Jun 6, 2012 at 12:07

I never said I was a Moslem. You should read again what I said.

Yes, I do think you are lying because you have taqquya which allows you to lie and anyone can read it in Moslem literature. I have done so and so have many others.

You say that Islam does not promote violence and only peace. If you are not lying then you are very, very, very ignorant of what Islam teaches.

Have you never heard of Mohammad's promise of clemency to the people of Medina who he then had slaughtered. Arafat PUBLICLY boasted of the fact. If it's not true then it shows Arafat was lying about it. And why should he as he was using it as a point in how to deal with the Israelis?

Where does taqqiya come from, then, if Moslems are not encouraged to lie? It is an Islamic word.

"Islam only promotes peace!" That is so ridiculous it is hilariously funny. Only a comedian would make such a comment. How do you think Islam was first spread? It was spread by Mohammad's attacks on unarmed Arabian caravans by his armies. That is historical fact we receive from those who lived there at the time.

And it is still going on. What is happening in Syria right now? What is happening in Iraq and Iran between Sunnis and Shi'ites? What is happening in Egypt and the Lebannon right now? That is Moslems fighting Moslems. And you say Islam only promotes peace. The very daily news shows that you are a lying.

The writings and lectures of people like Wallid Shoebatt, Mark and Brigitte Gabriel, Tass Saadra (who was Arafat's right-hand man and personally tried to kill his fellow Moslem, King Hussein of Jordan) and Mosab Hassan Yousef--all former Moslems who are now Christians-- not to mention American Arab Josef Farah tell us clearly that Islam is violent and a lying religion. And you call us close-minded fools!

The Moslem Arabs themselves--as late as the 1950s--sent a delegation to the UN claiming that the term "Palestine" was a Zionist myth. After the Israelis gave them a walloping in the Six Day War, a year later the PLO started calling themselves Palestinians!!! No Arab was known as that. Only Jews were. As history was one of the subjects I studied at university, I know that for a fact. That is not propaganda. And it comes clearly from these Arabs themselves. They flaunt the fact that they are liars.

And it shows what liars Arabs are--again because taqqiya encourages them to be so. After all, Mohammad lied to the people of Medina as their example.

If we are so closed-minded, why is it we can read any literature we want in the West? Why is it we allow all religions in the West, even that of the Moslems, here in the West? That does not happen in Moslem countries and I know it personally like other Westerners who have visited Moslem countires.

We have your politicians voices broadcasted here so we know what they are saying personally.

I have read the Koran and the Hadiths so I know what they say. And I have read Buddhist and Hindu writings also as well as those of the Jews and the Christians. So I can compare them and know what I believe and why. Moslems are not allowed to do that. In Saudi Arabia it is a crime to be caught with a Bible. How do I know that? The Saudis themselves tell us Westerns that so we know that we will be punished if we bring them into their country.

As you only are permitted to read the Koran and the Hadiths, how do you know what to compare them with? You are only allowed to believe what you are told from Islam. And you call us closed-minded fools. So who is close-minded and foolish? People who are allowed to check things out from themselves or those who believe things because they are told to and are punished when they are not.

You chant mere slogans like "fools" and "close-minded" because it is all you know and call it propaganda when all Moslems are ever raised in is propaganda. The fact that you are only allowed to read what you're told shows you wouldn't--indeed couldn't--know if you were receiving propaganda or not. As you accuse us of receiving propaganda only shows that.

True, we do get some propaganda aimed at us from the media. But we can go into any bookstore and read books which tell us how to know propaganda and how it is being used. We also have plenty or philosophers and logicians who warn us of those things.

We are taught logic in our universities which shows us how to discern. In fact, we are far more aware of how to deal with propaganda than Moslems are.

If it is a religion of peace and is not violent, why is it you Moslems have "honour killings."

You can't say that's propaganda because we even have to deal with this violence in the West with Moslems who come here. The Moslems who have carried these so-called honour killings have often done so and openly admit to it and even boast of it. We recently had a case, in England, of two parents killing their own daughter because she wanted to live a Western lifestyle. In fact, these cases have become common and only since Moslems came to live in our lands.

It was a thing utterly unheard of in this land until Moslems came here. People of other religions and cultures mixed and married all the time. I have many friends from mixed marriages. All of the people I've known who have mixed with Moslems have married into Islam, not the other person's faith. And all the ones I know of have regretted it and wished they hadn't.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. We only have to look at the countless millions of Moslems who migrate to the West. How many Westerners migrate to Moslem countries? A handful if that and even converts get a shock when they go to them and get right back to their native lands.

These are facts, not propaganda. In fact, when we get propaganda or go to other literature or other media sources to check it out, as stated, we can see that it's propaganda. That's something Moslems can't do. Besides, theyt are so brainwashed that most of them would not want to.

If Islam is a religion of peace, why did Mohammad call black people raisin heads (Haddith Sahih Bukhari 1:662, 644, 9.256). Mohammad went through African villages taking black slaves. These show it can also be racist. We don't hear Louis Faraknan mention that. It doesn't suit what he wants to believe and shows he is not an objective thinker.

If you claim Islam is a religion of peace then your own Koran exposes you as a liar. Go and read Surah 4, 5:33, 8:60-65; 4:81 as it will show you you are lying. If not then it shows you are making your claims from ignorance or propaganda, not I nor any other Christian who knows what you believe because we read it for ourselves.

Interestingly, some Moslem leaders have come friendly with the Catholic Church, which sided with Hitler in World War 2, as did the Arabs. Islam persecutes real Christians (and Jews obviously), as the Catholics have done throughout history, and yet your religion claims to be iconoclastic. The Jews and we Bible-believing Christians are also iconoclasts yet you chose to be friendly with a religion that many of us see as idolatrous.

And you call us fools! I think we know who the fools are! And our Western agnostics and atheists also know as well as we do.


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