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Irrationality, ignorance and its cost

Reader comment on item: A New Axis: The Emerging Turkish-Israeli Entente
in response to reader comment: Potential War between Israel,Turkey, and Greece

Submitted by Kivanch K (Turkey), Jan 15, 2010 at 10:26

This is one of the unlikeliest of the scenarios. First of all, Israel has enough trouble in the region and what would Israel gain with such a conflict? Secondly , historically enemy brothers TR and Greece have normal and friendly relations today. Both of them are NATO and a part of EU. Turkey's future prospects are in harmony with those of Greece. Both countries have mutual benefits and improved commerce between each other. Turkey also has very good relations with Russia, Greece's big brother. TR and Russia are forming a united free zone and free travel between each other, thus integrating and removing borders.

But if a conspiracy should be thought, Turkey wouldn't need any extra help from any other country to fight against Greece. Powers are already extremely unbalanced. Turkish army is the second largest power in Nato (after USA) and the most powerful army in Europe with a high skill of fighting capability. Turks are a warrior race but always impose peace. Also in the past Turks fought against an allied force of Britain, France, Italy, Greece, Arabs, Russians, Armenians, Anzacs and defeated this combined force in the end. Today's Turkey is much more powerful in every aspect. Very few known about today's Turkey in the world. Turkish scientists are leading many technology areas especially nano technology. TR is the 16th largest economy in the world even though she has no oil resources. TR is the market leader in Europe in many sectors such as electronic goods, textile and many more. 4th largest car producer, 1st in TV-Plasma production. (Only a single Turkish company, Vestel holds 40% market share in electronic goods in Europe)

Despite the biased news average westerner watch on TV, Turkey has a highly developed democratic and secular system with a few glitches. Civil law and constitution is integrated and updated due to integration with EU. Turks are passionate people with aspirations to become a superpower again inherited from their past where they had supremacy all over the world. Turkey also initiated an integration process with the Turkish speaking countries from Kazakhstan to West China (The East Turkistan) starting from 1980s. The forecasts about near and far future points Turkey to become the central power in Euro-Asia zone (ref: George Friedman's "The Next 100 Years") TR has already become the dominating force in the ex Ottoman Empire region (Eastern Europe, Balkans, Caucausus, Middle East and North Africa)

The common mistake westernes makeis that they have no objective information about today's Turkey. The image of TR in occidental countries are based on the tales of the 16th century most of which are mispropaganda and desinformation by the Roman Catholic Church. Turks never had camels or the tales about flying carpets for instance.

Turks always aspired to have a higher and the latest technology and they are a revolutionary nation. The only backwardness or decline in Turkish world occured in the 19th century and ended in the beginning of the 20th century with a republican revolution imposed by Ataturk and his friends. During that period drastic changes and improvements have been made in Turkish civilization. For example: Turkish women had their right to vote and to be elected democratically in 1925, long before US and many European countries. Turks perceive themselves as the descendants of the Hun, Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman empires. On the other hand, Turkey's overwhelmingly muslim population are conservatists but not pious or fundamentalists. Turks are the only nation that shares the common values both with western and eastern world.

The next 10 years will show drastic improvements in Turkish world. Just remember: Turks revolutionized their life style, political system, the way they dress, technology, philosophy, use of Latin alphabet, imposed liberal economy and many more in just 10 years (1923-1933) even when the country was a wreckage after the 1st World War.

Underestimation of Turks would be a very expensive cost the west can't afford.

Sincerely

Kivanch K

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