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Submitted by Harvey (European Union), Oct 5, 2007 at 17:58

In the Uk today,neither the government or indeed the people have reconciled themselves to the fact that we are fighting an existential war with Islamofascism.

Unlike previous wars this one has no unique starting point ie a Declaration of Hostilities and nor does it acknowledge set International Borders

Instead it is measured by seemingly isolated acts of terrorism , arrests ,foiled plots ,and abhorrent statements issued by Imams and political activists.

This random hatred for non Muslims, Homosexuals,so called apostates etc may give the outward appearance of a minority but close inspection reveals this to be a dangerous misconception and one that Western Democratic sensitivities are either oblivious to or non comprehending.

The stark reality is that up to now ,so called moderate Muslims have failed to make an absolute outright condemnation of Islamism ,its objectives and its means.

At best any such protest is accompanied by a disclaimer ie there is always an underlying reason for random acts of barbarism carried out on innocent people.

This usually takes the shape of Anglo American involvement in Irak /Afghanistan and of course Israel and the Palestinians.I have yet to hear one of our politicians stand up and say "that there can never be a grievance so great that requires a response which takesthe lives of hundreds possibly thousands of lives.

This failure to confront and reject Islamism is lamentable and will ultimately have far raeching consequences for the West.

Militant Islam has been ably aided and abetted by the so called liberal left .They have formed an unholy alliance which although matter of political expediency as they in turn loathe eachother nevertheless recognise their greater hate for America and Israel. They recognise that both these countriesform a formidable bulwark of resistance to their ambition of global domination in the case of Islamism and a return to some form of Communism for the left.

The US and Israel acknowledge this threat and respond accordingly.It is this forceful response which draws further hatred from these two heinous ideologies.The alternative is to capitulate as Europe is in the process of so doing.

I have spoken at length to Muslims ,some radical ,others not so .

The common denominator is a visceral hatredof Israel and the US and the fervent belief that given time both countries and their governments will crumble as if they never existed.

This in turn will lead to a progression to a anIslamic Caliphate and establishment of Sharia Law .

This may seem far fetched now but so was the Third Reich in the 1920s.

Either we stand up to this threat today or our children will reap the bitter harvest of hatred that we are only now beginning to comprehend.


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the 5 reasons linking Mayfield to terror [158 words]HarryOct 23, 2007 11:00
Not entirely correct...
[w/response] [176 words]
j greerOct 16, 2007 10:29
Know Your Enemy [97 words]All AmericanOct 11, 2007 18:37
Islam and Islamism [110 words]A.M DelcambreOct 8, 2007 08:27
Islam and Islamism - two sides of the same coin!!!! [123 words]JaladhiOct 8, 2007 21:50
Islamism comes from Islam [195 words]NessieOct 9, 2007 18:00
Wahabi Islam is spreading in France and Maghreb mosques [60 words]Egyptian ChristianOct 10, 2007 07:11
Islam and Islamism - Logic and Problem [180 words]SinghaOct 10, 2007 12:29
I agree with you Nessie [80 words]mytwocentsOct 13, 2007 13:41
French islamologist [115 words]jennifer solisOct 30, 2007 00:01
poor Eurabia.. [36 words]donvanOct 31, 2007 14:46
Our tolerant society [600 words]Harvey United KingdomOct 7, 2007 07:37
No doubt.. [103 words]donvanOct 31, 2007 14:40
Prehaps Brandon Mayfield was the culprit. [246 words]Lee MertzOct 6, 2007 17:35
Returning to 9/10? [233 words]MauriceOct 6, 2007 05:15
⇒ The Phony War [450 words]HarveyOct 5, 2007 17:58
Most Americans and Europeans only know how to enjoy their freedom [494 words]Ken BesigOct 5, 2007 03:52
masterly comment [33 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDOct 11, 2007 16:24
Judge Aiken's faulty decision [19 words]Richard FinnOct 4, 2007 21:30
Pre-empt which terrorist? [1028 words]Truth-TellerOct 4, 2007 19:23
"Truth"-Teller's Inflated Totals [132 words]jennifer solisOct 5, 2007 21:15
Reply To Truth Teller [435 words]Seamus MacNemiOct 6, 2007 02:15
Truth Teller [281 words]HarveyOct 6, 2007 07:06
Truth Teller Part 2 [122 words]HarveyOct 6, 2007 07:22
Our dear TT and comparing al-tufah wa al-burtuqan [460 words]dhimmi no moreOct 6, 2007 08:26
WHAT THEN SHOULD WE DO? [457 words]Geno M.Oct 4, 2007 15:01
Geno M. [472 words]shaynaOct 4, 2007 17:22
Valid Points. [146 words]YnnatchkahOct 4, 2007 23:08
In Answer To Geno M. [319 words]Seamus MacNemiOct 5, 2007 08:53
This is an invitation... [60 words]Garden LadyOct 5, 2007 11:41
"Muslim Affected Personality Disorder" [154 words]donvanOct 5, 2007 16:31
Islam is as Islam does [223 words]Geno M.Oct 5, 2007 17:53
retaliation - how? [72 words]G.VishvasOct 4, 2007 14:31
I think America did not yet undertand the enemy or still underestimate its power. Preemption should be taken to higher levels. [390 words]Egyptian ChristianOct 4, 2007 10:27
Egyptian Christian [475 words]shaynaOct 4, 2007 17:58
How indeed [102 words]David W. LincolnOct 4, 2007 20:23
my advice to egyptian christian [182 words]syed mohammad aliOct 5, 2007 05:32
Peace ... [108 words]donvanOct 5, 2007 17:17
Our dear Syed al-tablighee and the Copts [583 words]dhimmi no moreOct 7, 2007 08:28
shame on you muhammad ali [51 words]johnOct 8, 2007 06:08
Wannabe Arabs don't want to remenber their own preislamic culture !!! [188 words]JaladhiOct 8, 2007 22:13
Thank you Jaladhi [40 words]dhimmi no moreOct 10, 2007 07:27
dhimmi my ancestor never be hindu's i have my old family tree [109 words]syed mohammad aliOct 10, 2007 13:04
forgive me if I've got this wrong [84 words]bosOct 13, 2007 03:41
surprising mohammed ali [176 words]steve blackmoreOct 13, 2007 12:54
More gems from our dear Syed [312 words]dhimmi no moreOct 13, 2007 17:12
Syed and Steve [327 words]DonOct 13, 2007 23:19
response to syed mohammad ali [61 words]YovenOct 15, 2007 14:20
mr steve you stay in muslim country [82 words]syed mohammad aliOct 16, 2007 13:18
We could anticipate ! [240 words]A.M DelcambreOct 4, 2007 06:10
Madam Delcambre [263 words]YnnatchkahOct 11, 2007 23:18
Under my microscope ! [223 words]A.M. DelcambreOct 12, 2007 18:53
Well said [109 words]dhimmi no moreOct 13, 2007 08:11
Flying With Turkeys [214 words]jennifer solisOct 4, 2007 04:09
Remembering Grandmothers, and Lovingly Modifying Their Admonitions to Meet the Times. [407 words]marianaOct 5, 2007 17:25
Very good question, Mariana [110 words]jennifer solisNov 13, 2007 14:27
For Jennifer: On the NYT & WaPo... And Their Blessed EPIPHANY This Week! [422 words]MarianaDec 3, 2007 19:40
original intent of the founders [148 words]John PhilipsOct 4, 2007 03:01
We are not an ethnic group or race... [58 words]P. Sydney HerbertOct 4, 2007 18:55
Mosques, Worship Centers Or Origins Of Violence ? [232 words]clarence paul puckettOct 4, 2007 23:13
Bush's actions have always shown him to be soft on the sponsors of terrorism [407 words]Rachel Garber, PhiladelphiaOct 3, 2007 21:07
The Left is winning (Preempt Terrorists or Not) [147 words]MikeOct 3, 2007 20:49
Mike [43 words]shaynaOct 4, 2007 18:03
left lolling in legal limbo [909 words]Rebecca MouldsOct 3, 2007 18:19
Love of American Freedoms Lost for the Lack of Their Defense [254 words]M. ToveyOct 3, 2007 17:52
Two threads [66 words]David W. LincolnOct 3, 2007 16:27
Preempt Terrorists [187 words]M.D. AnthonyOct 3, 2007 15:50
Patriot Act. [285 words]YnnatchkahOct 3, 2007 14:27
Proactive instead of Preempt... [301 words]AamirOct 3, 2007 14:08
Depends on the crime [136 words]SSOct 3, 2007 16:55
Judge [105 words]Donald W. BalesOct 3, 2007 14:07
As You said.... [332 words]YnnatchkahOct 4, 2007 02:29
What ever will be will be [517 words]SSOct 3, 2007 14:06
Martial Law, SS? [126 words]YnnatchkahOct 3, 2007 14:45
True - but you cannot prove what has not happened [124 words]SSOct 3, 2007 16:15
True SS about CAIR's Islamist metastasis [139 words]YnnatchkahOct 4, 2007 16:05
SS, I think you're too optimistic [86 words]Charles MartelOct 4, 2007 17:38
Bush-whacked! [696 words]john w mcginleyOct 3, 2007 13:23
Prevention is better than cure? [976 words]Truth-TellerOct 3, 2007 11:00
Truth-Teller [484 words]shaynaOct 3, 2007 15:32
Shayna: Satan is good to Islamic Fundamentalists like Truth Teller. [329 words]YnnatchkahOct 3, 2007 19:13
Goodby U.K. [190 words]Blame the Big mean U.S.A.Oct 3, 2007 23:49
The Banality Of Evil And The Last Hurrah [150 words]Seamus MacNemiOct 4, 2007 09:25
Seamus MacNemi [146 words]shaynaOct 4, 2007 16:39
Hate Destroys The Hater [53 words]Seamus MacNemiOct 5, 2007 10:10
I hope you are right Seamus [226 words]Blame the Big mean U.S.A.Oct 5, 2007 21:29
Impressive, Shayna [21 words]jennifer solisOct 6, 2007 23:44

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