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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jun 29, 2011 at 18:00

Our dear Mehmet wrote

>You seem to perceive the world as consisting of ethnic monoliths, and equate states with people. The collapsing Ottoman state was ruled by a junta of three in 1915. You treat 75 million people a century later as if they personally comitted crimes.

Where did I say that today's Turks "committed crimes"? but you know what? denying that 1.3M Armenians were killed and many brutalized and raped and abducted and deported and that 2M Greeks were deported and 1M more killed in cold blood and thousands were killed in 1955 and denying the Assyrian Genocide and abducting Christian boys and converting them to islam (the crime of the Janissaries) and sending them back as fighting machine to terrorize their own people is criminal

We the living have to speak up for those that were brutalized and killed now do you get it?

>Of course, the society should face dark faces of its history and come to terms with it.

So when would the turks admit such crimes? let me guess fi al-mish mish as the Arabs would say or never! right?

Even the Arabs call such crime madhbahat al-arman

>But, don't forget that states politically socialize their citizens especially in school systems.

Oh there is a "but" as i expected

>All states pursue their survival and national interest. Genocide is a legal term that may cause damage to state interests, so they will resist it. As society matures, a more empathic perception of the issue will become possible.

So you tell me was there really an Armenian genocide or is this more Turkish BS? and would you be able to stand in the square (Takseem?) in the center of occupied Constantinople and say that there was really an Armenian Genocide? A yes or no will do

>Current Turkish politics is not monolithic, but rather highly polarized. The religious democrats captured the upperhand from secularist Kemalists. People in the military and civilian bureaucracy who would be mentally closest to the regime of 1915 are now being arrested and tried. The so called deep state is being discarded.

I read this as plus la meme!

>The secularism issue defies easy categorization. People are afraid of death, and most entertain hopes of afterlife and immortality. Most people who support separation of state and religion also entertain hopes for survival of consciousness beyond death at a different dimension.

Sure but again if you do not have secularism and pluralism you do not have a democracy period and you can start by allowing the very small Greek Orthodox community to be free and open the school where orthodox priests used to be educated until 1969 then the school was closed by the Turks and why is that? and oh fix the Armenian Churches that were destroyed in eastern Asia minor and allow Turks who believe that there was really an Armenian Genocide to say it without being afraid of being killed or jailed and give back to the Greeks Hagia Sophia this would be a good start but it will never happen and this is why there is no pluralism or secularism in Turkey

>Instead of the Byzantine Empire, let's revive the larger Roman Empire bringing together North Africa, the Middle East, and Europe. But this time, let's construct it through EU-style regional integration from below, instead of empire-building from above. In this larger zone of free economic, social, and cultural exchange, Armenians and other ethic groups can peacefully embark on their own renaissance. Turkey should generously and sincerely support an Armenian renaissance in Turkey, Armenia, and beyond.

Sobhanallah generous Turkey. Oh spare me this one. But you know what? I hope that Turkey would join the EU and that the Armenians take the government of Turkey to the highest court in the EU with the explicit reasons of answering once and for all was there really an Armenian genocide and demand apology and financial compensation and Armenians can go back to the homes of their ancestors in Asia Minor

And i hope that the Greeks and the assyrians would do the same

>We can no longer change what already happened.

But you can admit that these were crimes against humanity. The Germans did it and Turkey can do it right?

>But we can try to change what will happen in the future. Turks and Armenians need to become friends and help each other now, without waiting for the everlasting historical and legal debates.

Sorry I'm not optimistic as Turkey has a long way to go

We all should speak up for the victims of genocides because they are not here to speak for themselves

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