Submitted by Pro-Israeli Democrat (United States), May 29, 2006 at 23:25
In my opinion, Daniel Pipes is right about CAIR. I agree: CAIR is NOT to be trusted due to its approval of groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. Even as a liberal/liberatarian, I believe that the organization is more or less illigitimate. Yet, I sincerely believe that Islamophobia is an unfortunate, contemporary reality, albeit moreso in Europe than in the United States, Canada, and other liberal democracies. One cannot underestimate the impact of Islamophobia, for other groups have faced similar obstacles. To do so would be to make a grave error.
Now, I am not a Muslim (in fact, as my name may sugest, I am a Jew...of Polish origin, albeit a non-practicing one who supports Israel nonetheless; you CAN classify me as an agnostic or perhaps even an atheist). Still, in light of what has gone on in Europe recently, I have acquired a great deal of sympathy for them (perhaps moreso as Arabs, Indonesians, Pakistanis, etc. than as Muslims). It is easy for me to identify with the Muslims, for at one time, the fear of Jews led to the most disgraceful instance of modern genocide: the Holocaust. As a firm believer in secularism and freedom of speech, I supported (and continue to support) Denmark during the cartoon controversy. Why should we bend over for a bunch of religious fundamentalists? We face the same problem here in America, although less so from Muslims than from Fundamentalist Christians. On issues such as this, there should be no compromise for religion by us secularists. Fundamentalists, both Christian and Muslim, wish to dominate the world. We must work to make sure that neither do, otherwise we will face a very unhappy little future.
Nevertheless, Islamophobia is a very real problem. It is not a new one, either, for it arguably fueled the Crusades (which, contrary to what Robert Spencer claims were NOT defensive wars...they killed Jews, Muslims and even fellow Christian...that is NOT a defensive war). There are two forms: 1) regular islamophobia and 2) islamistphobia. Am I islamistphobic (to quote a fellow atheist)? Yes; and I think Mr. Pipes can identify with this sentiment, for most garden-variety Westerners, both liberal-centrist and conservative-centrist are (as indeed they should be). Islamists terrify me. Regular islamophobia, though, is a very real problem which must be addressed. Overcoming it is an extremely important key to a victory in the war on terror.
The primary battlegrounds here are free, democratic countries such as Italy and France, where Arabs and Muslims are clearly treated as second-class citizens. Once they are made to feel as if they belong, they will overcome their isolation. Europe, already great, will become better. How do I know this?? Well, I don't, but I have had the privilege of going to college and making friends/acquaintances with several Muslims, mostly immigrants. These include Afghans, Egyptians, Palestinians (who were probably the most SECULAR of all), and an Israeli-Iranian who opted to follow Shiite Islam, although that her mother was Jewish would have made her Jewish by default. All were lovely people, and in meeting them, I overcame a lot of the grievances I had held against Muslims since well before the tragedy of September 11, 2001. Where had I acquired these grievances from? Probably the media.
We did not always agree politically; I favor the Israelis; most of the Muslims made their cases for a Palestinian state (although not ONE voiced approval for Hamas). Yet, that is the nature of debate. Will I stop being your friend because you favor the Palestinians? The answer is as follows: NEVER. I MUST emphasize that Palestinians, too, have legitimate claims, and deserve a state (or several miniaturestates on the border with Israel; Gaza and the West Bank for example...sans Hamas, of course) although it is clear that Jerusalem is best off under Israeli control (and this is a secular, logistical concern; not a relifious one). I will, however, question whether the Palestinians can create a secular, democratic state that co-exists peacefully with Israel and is ruled by LAW, rather than by Saudi-style DECREE (and neither will occur under Hamas).
Granted, CAIR is a disgrace. Yet, American and Canadian Muslims are a great success story: Tarek Fatah, Hamza Yusuf, Khaled Abou el Fadl (who I do NOT consider a "stealth islamist"; "stealth islamists" do NOT own dogs...Sami al-Arian, on the other hand IS a stealth Islamist-who backed Bush's 2000 Presidential campaign and even posed with him; I have the picture!), and above all Irshad Manji (whom I admire greatly and would love to meet one day). 9/11 has, in my opinion, drawn America CLOSER to its Muslim population. Let's set an example and start a trend which Europe can follow. We should lead by example. To criticize Islam is one thing (and I am certainly in a good position to say so, for I criticize Islam all the time), and so is criticizing any other religion (I criticize conservative Christians every bit as much). Yet, to single out and isolate a person...any person, on the basis of their religion (whether they be Jew, Christian, Muslim, Zoroastrian, Bahai, Hindu, Buddhist, or atheist) is simply wrong. The War on Terror is a battle of ideas, and this includes a battle with our own. It should bring us closer together, not further apart.
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| Eye for and eye..... [45 words] | Mary Morgan | Nov 24, 2006 10:12 |
| Islamofascist [26 words] | terrorfree | Aug 23, 2006 11:20 |
| Why CAIR Is Not o Be Trusted [69 words] | S.C.Panda | Aug 1, 2006 02:41 |
| CAIR [28 words] | therion | Jun 16, 2006 21:48 |
| CAIR is a Muslim version of KKK [316 words] | Christina | Jun 11, 2006 13:34 |
| ⇒ Islamophobia: An Unfortunate, Contemporary Reality [881 words] | Pro-Israeli Democrat | May 29, 2006 23:25 |
| ↔ Why Cair is not to be trusted [60 words] | mike | Jun 7, 2006 17:25 |
| ↔ Defending Democracy [337 words] | Pro-Israeli Democrat | Jun 8, 2006 08:55 |
| ↔ To the pro israeli democrat [157 words] | mike | Jun 8, 2006 19:00 |
| ↔ Clarifying "isolation" [719 words] | Pro-Israeli Democrat | Jun 9, 2006 20:15 |
| ↔ Pro-Israeli Democrat : A few questions that require a few answers, please [229 words] | Infidel | Sep 7, 2006 02:55 |
| ↔ To Infidel [1004 words] | Pro-Israeli Democrat | Sep 8, 2006 10:03 |
| ↔ The Bridegroom and the Bride [639 words] | Michael | Sep 9, 2006 21:14 |
| ↔ People are very thin-skinned here [213 words] | Pro-Israeli Democrat | Sep 10, 2006 19:40 |
| ↔ Veritas [800 words] | Michael | Sep 17, 2006 22:51 |
| ↔ Veritas addendum [128 words] | Michael | Sep 18, 2006 22:03 |
| ↔ Yes and No... [569 words] | Pro-Israeli Democrat | Sep 20, 2006 00:20 |
| ↔ To see requires a willingness [183 words] | Michael | Sep 20, 2006 21:06 |
| ↔ Naked and exposed [136 words] | Abijah | Sep 24, 2006 14:44 |
| ↔ Its a Matter of Free Will [419 words] | Pro-Israeli Democrat | Sep 24, 2006 19:11 |
| ↔ And by the way... [130 words] | Pro-Israeli Democrat | Sep 24, 2006 19:28 |
| ↔ secularism did cause 9/11 [61 words] | fundamentalist | Sep 24, 2008 16:45 |
| ↔ "Muslims and Christians would have lived in peace if it weren't for the secular thoughts that plagued the western world IMO. " -- fundamentalist [39 words] | Krista | Sep 25, 2008 10:57 |
| ↔ fundamentalist what? [58 words] | bos | Sep 25, 2008 13:42 |
| The best tactic with respect to CAIR is exposure, and more exposure [153 words] | Sully | May 28, 2006 21:56 |
| Let's stop this smear campaign against CAIR [606 words] | HQC | May 27, 2006 16:55 |
| ↔ Wolves and Rabbits [61 words] | Infidel | Sep 7, 2006 12:45 |
| ↔ Give me a break! [105 words] | Michael | Sep 8, 2006 21:50 |
| CAIR - AGENDA AND MOTIVES [220 words] | Lou Stouch | May 17, 2006 20:02 |
| ↔ Teaching Christian Values to Muslims [157 words] | Infidel | Sep 7, 2006 13:07 |
| CAIR -- the fifth column of Islamic Jihad in America [84 words] | Dr RJP | May 16, 2006 21:11 |
| What 'CAIR' is Really An Acronym For... [9 words] | Robert | May 15, 2006 16:15 |
| Islamophobia? [187 words] | Ruth Lowry | May 14, 2006 22:15 |
| It's Nazism Redux with an Islamic Face [456 words] | Michael | May 14, 2006 19:28 |
| ↔ pre - islamic culture was boycoted [45 words] | cyrus | May 15, 2006 15:57 |
| ↔ Thank you Michael [166 words] | Ruth Lowry | May 15, 2006 20:20 |
| ↔ Cyrus is Eternally Memorialized [318 words] | Michael | May 16, 2006 22:31 |
| ↔ thank you michael [56 words] | cyrus | May 17, 2006 15:56 |
| ↔ Ignorance in America [300 words] | Muslim | Jun 1, 2006 02:06 |
| ↔ The Best is Yet to Come! [305 words] | Michael | Jun 1, 2006 20:39 |
| ↔ Response to Muslim, Is islam really religion of peace? [117 words] | N. Khan | Jun 16, 2006 17:40 |
| ↔ Michael, Muslims are not terrified [215 words] | Infidel | Sep 7, 2006 13:59 |
| ↔ I know that my Savior lives! [188 words] | Michael | Sep 7, 2006 22:03 |