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Reader comment on item: The Liberty Incident: The 1967 Israeli Attack on the U.S. Spy Ship

Submitted by Mike Weeks (United States), Nov 5, 2002 at 21:39

When former Liberty crew member Jim Ennes wrote his book he stated he already knew the attack was deliberate murder by June 14, 1967 as he lay wounded in the Naples hospital (pg. 137.) That pretty much sums it up for him regarding the incident. Ennes would rightly claim on pg. 181 that "During the attack, hardly anyone was aware of what was happening beyond his own little sphere."

Yet he's now stating 200 survivors (well, sometimes it's 250) all now are claiming to have all witnessed the same event ... quite a feat - especially when there's sworn direct testimony from Commander McGonagle, Ensign Lucas, Chief Thompson (all on the bridge), and Lt. Painter, which don't mention any such "event" (the machine gunning of the damaged life rafts in the water, some 35-40 minutes following the torpedo attack.)

Nor do the hand-written quartermaster and CIC logs (all exhibits to the court of inquiry) record any such event. Somehow something so significant got over looked? That's very doubtful.

So it's not "Cristol (and Pipes)" who claim it didn't happen, it's the Liberty crew, back in 1967. Today 35 years later apparently Ennes attempts to speak for one and all to a much different remembrance.

The factual errors are numerous in what Ennes would have one believe, but his posted title is the best. If the attack did indeed last 2 1/2 hours as Ennes has claimed in all the years he's been writing about this incident, he's yet to address how the IDF didn't end up sending the ship to the bottom, with all hands. "Best planned ..." indeed.

As to "offered for 35 years" to testify to Congress, well, that does seem a bit strange, as that means he's claiming the crew was doing such since 1967. Perhaps since 1982, when the LVA was formed, might be a more reasonable claim to make.

One is also left wondering why Ennes doesn't also mention that then-CIA director Admiral Stansfield Turner was quite clear on 27 Feb. 1978 when he stated it was the official position of the CIA that the attack was "was not made in malice toward the United States and was a mistake." This, unlike some opinions expressed which turn out to be nothing but personal ones, and following input from the vocal Liberty survivors who formed the LVA.

Cristol's book destroys the myths, tall tales and red herrings which have grown up around this tragic incident. It's just too bad it took so long for it to come about, with Ennes having a 20-year head start, as it were.

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Interviews of Survivors [79 words]mikeDec 29, 2007 11:06
Why does Israel and the US government fear an open honest investigation under oath if it was an accident? [81 words]Jeff DavisJul 24, 2007 00:48
Intent presupposes reason [182 words]DemetrisJun 28, 2007 08:51
AMERICAN LOSSES [63 words]marc melchioriFeb 15, 2006 12:45
the logic of A. J. Cristol [271 words]BryanApr 9, 2006 21:05
"Mistaken Identity" [217 words]Joseph GrazianoNov 18, 2005 16:37
Easy Pickins! Prove Cristol's claim, win $10,000 [52 words]T. TaylorJun 8, 2005 06:44
With all due respect... [299 words]Adam J. BernayMay 1, 2005 02:57
Defending USA [88 words]GeraldineApr 16, 2004 11:25
The motive [250 words]Holger SensAug 28, 2003 22:52
And the beat goes on [245 words]Ronald G. KukalJun 25, 2003 08:16
Only opinions? Balderdash [170 words]James EnnesJun 24, 2003 20:16
Barking up the Wrong Tree [25 words]American-IsraeliMay 9, 2006 17:03
What we expect [107 words]Bob OsborneDec 31, 2008 20:09
Where there photographs taken during this attack? [175 words]Richard BrayJun 20, 2003 14:33
Response to American Israeli [317 words]David SmythJun 4, 2003 20:46
Opinions, not facts [119 words]American-IsraeliMay 9, 2006 17:00
Proff and Facts [115 words]Ronald KukalSep 12, 2006 11:09
Ed Toner [17 words]Kevin O'HallahanApr 14, 2003 19:07
Put up or Shut up [232 words]An American-IsraeliMar 19, 2003 06:59
David Smyth's imagined evidence [117 words]An American-IsraeliMar 19, 2003 06:37
Army relay center germany [72 words]Mike QueenJan 26, 2003 14:49
David Wolf (Nov. 7): "declared aggressive intent" toward US [103 words]david walshJan 14, 2003 12:16
Irrelevant crticisms [100 words]Klee GluckmanJan 11, 2003 06:44
What is gained? [209 words]F. BurkeJan 4, 2003 12:01
Author's response [443 words]A Jay CristolJan 2, 2003 15:53
Direct versus circumstantial evidence [377 words]Mike ScialesFeb 16, 2006 15:21
Cristol Didn't Verify His Israeli Sources [92 words]Joe MeadorsDec 27, 2002 13:13
Conspiracy Theories? [269 words]David SmythNov 22, 2002 08:48
The only attack uninvestigated by Congress [254 words]Jim GriffinNov 14, 2002 14:18
To commenter Ed Toner [540 words]David WolfNov 7, 2002 23:22
⇒ Tall tales, etc. continue [427 words]Mike WeeksNov 5, 2002 21:39
Unwarranted Israeli attack on USS LIBERTY [101 words]Jim KingNov 4, 2002 10:41
Cowards in Congress, and Sheep in the Pulpit/ Churches [114 words]M RoyesNov 4, 2002 02:04
USS LIBERTY, The Truth [152 words]Stan WhiteNov 3, 2002 13:07
The Liberty Incident [56 words]Ed TonerNov 3, 2002 09:41
Friendly fire happens for seconds not hours [169 words]Wayne McCarthyNov 2, 2002 21:00
"The Truth Shall Set Us Free" [78 words]Rev. Gary F. Taylor, Dr. Min.Nov 2, 2002 20:13
Best planned mistake in the history of warfare [288 words]James EnnesNov 1, 2002 22:17
What does Bamford say about this ??? [42 words]Saul PfefferOct 18, 2002 13:17

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