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RE: Anatoly Tsaliovich
Reader comment on item: What If the United States Had Not Invaded Iraq

Submitted by Loren (United States), Nov 28, 2005 at 16:10

Congradulations Anatoly for your thoughtful and intelligent comments on this issue - a refreshing perspective from someone who has experienced history firsthand.

I have to say that I hate the cost of the Iraq war in blood and dollars. But lets look back into history and see if there are lessons that might be relevant to todays struggle in Iraq.

I watched the movie "Back to the Future" a few years ago and it left me with the thought -- what if you could go back in time and do something that would change the course of history. What if, for example, we had taken preemptive military action against Hitler and his gangsters in the 1930's. Hitler's intentions were quite clear in "Mein Kampf" written years earlier. Now, of course, preemptive action at this time was out of the question because the American people, Congress and president Roosevelt had no political will for this opportunity. In addition we were a third rate military power at the time.

But, if we had been able to push over Hitler in the 1930's, we could have potentially saved the lives of 400,000 American soldiers, the horrendous genocide in the gas chambers, and 50? million lives that were lost during WWII. In addition, we spent trillions in todays dollars to finally put an end to the war. Did we win it? I think we lost a hell of a lot!!

Now of course, one can argue that Hussain's Iraq was not Hitler's Germany and that he didn't exhibit the same threat to our security. Many folks in the 30's thought that Hitler was pretty harmless and could be appeased. Many today think we should have taken a hands off approach and negotiated with Saddam and the Bathists. But given the lessons of history, and the potential access of WMD by rogue regimes, I think that President Bush - and Congress - made a very courageous and correct decision to preempt in Iraq.

Sure, there have been many mistakes, as there are in all wars, but I do believe the end result our taking a stand in Iraq will change the climate in the Middle East for the better and make our country safer.

The potential downside our preemptive strike is that we as a nation may not have the political will to act again when it would be to our advantage. That scares me a bit.

The lives lost by our servicemen has been tragic, but then check out the CDC Injury Mortality Reports here:

http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html .

If 150,000 male troops in Iraq between 18-22 years of all races had stayed in the United States since Mar, 2003, about 449 would have died from violent or non-violent injuries. The figure is far worse for Washington DC. In fact, for some who live in urban slums, it would have actually been safer serving as a soldier in Iraq.

A final thought. Did we lose the war in Vietnam? On paper yes. But was there a cause and effect relationship between our taking a stand in Vietnam and the collapse of the Soviet Union? I wonder. I'll let this question be answered by much better informed historians than I, like Dr Pipes.

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the REAL war...read me... i'm opinionated* [259 words]AlexandraApr 10, 2007 18:25
Alexandra is an uninformed citizen. [297 words]Jose VasquezApr 23, 2007 18:20
Brainwashed [190 words]gerald abacusJun 21, 2007 14:01
The real reason for the Iraq invasion [364 words]DaveDec 30, 2006 19:44
I disagree strongly. [289 words]SanchezDec 22, 2006 17:21
We have no choice. [34 words]Alyn P.Dec 19, 2006 16:42
what never would have happened [18 words]Jake GoudeauDec 19, 2005 19:51
What if the U.S. had not invaded Iraq: Cheap Russian oil [73 words]LarryDec 9, 2005 12:15
⇒ RE: Anatoly Tsaliovich [532 words]LorenNov 28, 2005 16:10
saddam as an ally? forget it [67 words]jeremyNov 21, 2005 18:14
Responce to AB [82 words]John GiannascaOct 24, 2005 01:36
What about the Weapons of Mass Destruction [54 words]ABOct 3, 2005 11:28
iraq doesnt need weapons of mass destruction [10 words]tylr bowdishNov 9, 2006 08:35
The place of Israel in this debate [229 words]andySep 30, 2005 15:37
please explain [95 words]freaked-outSep 26, 2005 13:59
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The French have attitude [165 words]Nidra PollerSep 18, 2005 16:41
TO FIGHT OR NOT TO FIGHT: THERE IS NO QUESTION [750 words]Anatoly TsaliovichSep 17, 2005 12:30
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Repetition of U.S. Neocon Propaganda [74 words]Raymond MooreSep 17, 2005 03:47
Iraqis - an Effective People would be more effective [120 words]George M Weinert VSep 14, 2005 13:55
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Yin & Yang [227 words]YovenSep 13, 2005 16:12
Your alternatives are too limiting [133 words]Avram KaliskySep 13, 2005 15:56
"Muslim unrest has been exacerbated by the war. " -Disagree [107 words]AndrewSep 13, 2005 11:23
A Case for War and Regional Transformation [963 words]Aidan MaconachySep 13, 2005 10:43
This one does not make sense [106 words]StanSep 13, 2005 03:08
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war and victory [97 words]bob richmanSep 12, 2005 22:29
Iraq [137 words]KISep 12, 2005 21:34
We Should Have Been Smarter... [100 words]Dan FriedmanSep 12, 2005 17:20
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Lebanon, Shia's, leftists [140 words]Henk TwerdaSep 12, 2005 16:29
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What if USA had not invaded Iraq ?
[w/response] [113 words]
Irving D. CohenSep 12, 2005 14:15
monetary cost of the Iraq wa [70 words]Jerome Kay M. D.Sep 12, 2005 12:58
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not the entire story [152 words]Jerry MSep 12, 2005 12:54
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Benefits vs. costs of Iraq war. [263 words]Andrew FreedmanSep 12, 2005 12:08
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Leaving Saddam Alone [56 words]Laurinda BurnsSep 12, 2005 10:36
I agree [17 words]Frank MorganAug 11, 2007 23:26
war [215 words]kim segarSep 12, 2005 09:56
Yes, there are many positives and negatives [720 words]MaggieSep 12, 2005 05:11
i love bush [48 words]Malynn OchsnerJul 18, 2007 12:38
A few more important points [267 words]Josh GSep 12, 2005 04:57
Much Too Early [352 words]Anatoly OstrovskySep 12, 2005 03:38
Iraq invasion was right [609 words]Amitabh tripathiSep 12, 2005 03:24
What if the US had not invaded Iraq [228 words]Joseph GoldyneSep 12, 2005 03:12
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As an Israeli I am ecstatic that Saddam is gone! [308 words]Kenneth S. BesigSep 12, 2005 02:47
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America's Weakness [395 words]WalterSep 12, 2005 01:22
I very much agree with you [107 words]JessSep 5, 2006 15:32
A Bit Oversimplified [181 words]Ira KatzSep 12, 2005 00:41
benefits overstated [63 words]elmer eisnerSep 11, 2005 23:54
Too little of the positive is noted [91 words]Yair WeinstockSep 11, 2005 22:53
Thank you for your messages... [155 words]Howard LucasSep 11, 2005 22:22
September 11th Column On Pros & Cons of Invading Iraq [69 words]Ken HuehnSep 11, 2005 21:33
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Negative results to the American invasion of Iraq!! [203 words]Tzvi TamariSep 11, 2005 21:09
I pray for Bush, America and Iraqis [109 words]Risa RahmawatiDec 13, 2007 23:38
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Regime Change [71 words]David W. LincolnSep 11, 2005 20:40
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What is your point?
[w/response] [73 words]
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simple response: [223 words]Jascha KesslerSep 11, 2005 19:46
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What If the United States Had Not Invaded Iraq [55 words]PHILLIPSep 11, 2005 19:27
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Insights for a thankful public [90 words]Thomas Earl CannadySep 11, 2005 18:58
What security-related benefits? [202 words]AaronSep 11, 2005 18:44
And that's why the red sea is safer..... [49 words]Sharmake IbrahimSep 11, 2005 18:26
al-Qaeda's links to Saddam
[w/response] [17 words]
Norman TregorSep 11, 2005 18:20
Links To al Qaeda? No
[w/response] [388 words]
Jonathan RickSep 11, 2005 18:14
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Bush administration had to do a reform in the American defence system [70 words]Dr. Uri MisteinSep 11, 2005 16:51
a bit optimistic view [71 words]maksmanSep 11, 2005 16:38
Iran could have had a new government, too [178 words]Henrik Ræder ClausenSep 11, 2005 16:00
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