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Submitted by David Samson (Canada), Dec 3, 2012 at 19:22

Professor Pipes is a scholar intimately familiar with is subject matter, articulate and logically organizes an optimistic (or pessimistic, depending on whether you see 30 years in terms of a human lifetime or historical eye-blink) argument, based on selected historical precedents. However, I don't find his argument at all compelling because it does not take into account the Islamic-Imperialist sub-text that drives and fuels this and the overarching world Caliphate conflict. The major players in the anti-Israel (read anti-Jewish) / Islamo-Imperialist war remain Iran and Saudi-Arabia. Shiite Iran is less circumspect, remarkably open and more immediately dangerous with their looming threat of nuclear capacity. Saudi Arabia is more patient, and constantly willing to use part of their vast and perpetually replenishing petrodollar wealth to surreptitiously bias Western media and educational institutions, promote political correctness and manipulate Westerners to embrace the Islamic narrative regarding Israel among other lies. Europe uncritically accepts the Islamic narrative, likely in equal measure from their need for Muslim oil, need to assuage their PC-based, delusional "Post-Colonial Guilt," and their seldom interrupted millennium of anti-Semitic hatred. Barring a new development, the conflict will continue until the prime financiers of the war, Saudi Arabia and Iran, alter their fundamentalist beliefs, not when Muslim inhabitants of Yehuda and Shomron have a flight into reality and see how they are being used as pawns by their wealthier, fanatical and manipulative oil-masters.

Two potential game changers exist. First would be the entry of Israel as an oil-seller on a large scale. I believe this currently terrifies OPEC since for political/religious reasons, it could not admit Israel into it's midst and would consequently see an unprecedented drop in the price of oil with Israel free to charge significantly less for her abundant earth-bound and shale-based oil. Second, Israel can and should emerge from its defensive military cocoon to deter both Iran and Saudi Arabia from further attempts to eradicate Israel by obvious and subtle methods. Israel does not want to attack civilians and the Muslim ruling class does not see civilian deaths as a consequent that might deter them from attempting to annihilate Israel via nuclear or conventional means. However, they do value their oil. Oil is their ticket and only ticket to international power, prominence, influence, personal and religious achievement. Israel's proper target for deterrence should be every oil field in the Middle East. This would bring about Martin Sherman's second peace option. With a fifty year history of cold peace and new-found Israeli wealth capable of countering the obscene Saudi investments in buying Western think-tanks, spin doctor PR agencies, university departments and media, not only Israel but the Western world (with all its warts) might be saved from Islamic-Imperialism in all of its simplistic savagery.


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Title Commenter Date Thread
1Same old islam .... ie. hostilities towards Israel and Jews ! [57 words]Phil GreendFeb 8, 2013 17:36203336
The Thrill of Defeat [127 words]Darrell PackJan 15, 2013 12:03202617
2Recent Hamas/Israel hostilities [285 words]Alexander ZiggyDec 19, 2012 15:03201601
1Where does sharia law come in? [48 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Bert EngleDec 18, 2012 17:02201570
9Saudi Paradox [133 words]Michael Hanni MorcosDec 17, 2012 11:58201531
6A Respectful but Alternate View [455 words]David SamsonDec 3, 2012 19:22201130
2Wonderful analysis [20 words]saraDec 3, 2012 20:38201130
Excellent Comment [8 words]DeeDec 21, 2012 04:41201130
sophisticated progaganda on youtube and social media [13 words]AlanaDec 1, 2012 12:58201096
1US Will Fill Bomb Craters With Cash [178 words]Builders of ZionNov 27, 2012 20:29200996
the media challenge [59 words]mythNov 27, 2012 09:22200976
3You missed the elephant in the room [39 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Abdulkarim Al-habsiNov 25, 2012 04:25200914
Hamas' Suicide Strategy [22 words]mjazzguitarNov 24, 2012 16:28200910
5next generation rockets [89 words]mythNov 22, 2012 10:14200853
12The Answers my friend are blowing with Morsi [72 words]Michael Hanni MorcosNov 22, 2012 22:50200853
Having Sown the Wind; Next; Reaping the Whirlwind [407 words]M. ToveyNov 26, 2012 18:19200853
11Unpredictable Whirlwind [158 words]Michael Hanni MorcosNov 27, 2012 00:53200853
4It is Written - Not in the Wind - But in the Whirlwind Written in the Dusty Annals of Qumram [252 words]M. ToveyNov 28, 2012 15:43200853
11It's unfolding so Fast - [159 words]Michael Hanni MorcosNov 29, 2012 00:10200853
depends on what meaning of "rock-solid support" is [155 words]Richard StoeckerNov 21, 2012 12:38200840
4If not now? [100 words]Bryan PoulinNov 21, 2012 10:08200833
2Gaza inhabitants are pawns, used to get financial assistance from the USA! [142 words]LaurenceNov 20, 2012 01:19200804
6Le vrai problème de l'Islamisme. Que nous prépare l'avenir? [679 words]Roger D. BentataNov 20, 2012 00:56200803
11Bien ecrit [38 words]Michael Hanni MorcosNov 21, 2012 22:39200803
3Paix [133 words]Salim ButrusNov 22, 2012 12:57200803
7Oui la paix [74 words]Michael Hanni MorcosNov 22, 2012 22:25200803
Paix [266 words]Salim ButrusNov 27, 2012 15:28200803
4Vos Reponses sont Illogique et Stupide [77 words]Michael Hanni MorcosNov 28, 2012 10:49200803
11Major Question to ask: Why are there no bomb shelters in GAZA?? [108 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
saraNov 19, 2012 19:00200798
4Opposing Values of Life in Hostile Situations of the Middle East [388 words]M. ToveyNov 20, 2012 10:36200798
3shelters [115 words]roger spleenNov 20, 2012 16:33200798
4The question is not for those who understand, but for those who do not [304 words]saraNov 20, 2012 17:07200798
Those Who Do Not Understand Do Not for a Reason - They Will Not Believe [440 words]M. ToveyNov 20, 2012 19:08200798
1Sara's question was brilliant [141 words]PrashantNov 21, 2012 00:23200798
2Viewpoint [189 words]saraNov 22, 2012 00:25200798
3My Sympathies [179 words]Kepha HorNov 22, 2012 14:21200798
6Gazans have shown their proficiency in tunneling [72 words]Isahiah62Nov 23, 2012 15:54200798
1Viewpoint Noted [669 words]M. ToveyNov 26, 2012 11:42200798
1Common goals [160 words]saraNov 26, 2012 18:21200798
1Evacuation worked for us [127 words]KiwiDec 20, 2012 22:47200798
Alas, the world does not know [88 words]saraDec 20, 2012 23:33200798
5Election motivations for HAMAS Attack [242 words]There is NO Santa ClausNov 19, 2012 07:50200782
1Hamas' motives: Distract attention from the Iranian nuclear buildup [179 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Linda KorrowNov 19, 2012 00:57200777
Excellent [6 words]Linda KorrowNov 19, 2012 20:01200777
1Current Hamas Israel [68 words]MoiseNov 18, 2012 11:20200767
1It's all about the money [47 words]guestNov 18, 2012 03:09200758
2Maybe. [59 words]There is NO Santa ClausNov 19, 2012 07:59200758
26 More Hamas motives [133 words]Yusuf MurjaniNov 17, 2012 20:42200748
3How many rockets? [87 words]stanley bNov 17, 2012 18:28200745
Reports of pressure on Iran [42 words]saraNov 17, 2012 18:25200744
"If Hamas knows it cannot defeat the IDF..." - 2 more points [20 words]MarkNov 17, 2012 18:19200743
The great payment for traditional weakness [35 words]BenNov 17, 2012 12:35200737
On Obama's Objectivity [308 words]Horizon64Nov 17, 2012 09:53200733
4Why doesn't the Israeli PR quote the Hamas Charter Article 7, and the Hadith the quote comes from? [162 words]Mladen AndrijasevicNov 17, 2012 04:36200723
1omissions [14 words]jerome henenNov 16, 2012 19:08200713
1Do Not Discount Syria Too Easily in the Iranian Plan [313 words]M. ToveyNov 16, 2012 15:55200701
21973 repeat? [71 words]saraNov 16, 2012 17:30200701
2Precursor Shown in 1973 - Circumstances Today Following Their Own Patterns [177 words]M. ToveyNov 16, 2012 18:24200701
3HAMAS VS. ISRAEL A POKER GAME [238 words]JACQUES HADIDANov 16, 2012 13:35200693
2Agree with you, Jacques. and what a crazy idea...! [74 words]saraNov 16, 2012 17:37200693
5Destroy or Cripple [211 words]Abraham SantiagoNov 16, 2012 13:30200692
2Feeling Confident With MB On A Roll [41 words]DaveNov 16, 2012 12:21200690
Hitler returns [4 words]KerryNov 16, 2012 08:18200682
3Israel [116 words]JohnNov 16, 2012 05:51200681
Need a broader perspective. [33 words]Sigmund SilberNov 16, 2012 02:14200680
2Those in southern Israel understand the war is real [144 words]LBNov 16, 2012 02:07200679
3When enough is enough – Israel it is time to take off the gloves and defend your citizens - no holds barred. [279 words]YJ DraimanNov 16, 2012 01:45200678
2Clear and present dangers [94 words]DanNov 16, 2012 18:42200678
3The CORE REASON for all the hostilities..... [56 words]Helene LeavittNov 16, 2012 01:44200677
1How to win without force. [24 words]Wallace BrandNov 16, 2012 00:56200674
4The invisible hand strikes again [281 words]DanNov 16, 2012 00:56200673
4Qatar and Saudi strategy of "arab spring" are controlling the Hamas actions [331 words]IsmaelNov 17, 2012 20:21200673
15Double Double Deja-Vues [128 words]Michael Hanni MorcosNov 16, 2012 00:41200670
3I like the analysis, but where do things end? [95 words]BJNov 17, 2012 21:32200670
13End Game is the End [158 words]Michael Hanni MorcosNov 18, 2012 21:53200670
And the gyrations go on... [118 words]SHmuel HaLeviNov 16, 2012 00:35200669
1Misreading Obama [236 words]ShishirNov 16, 2012 00:26200668
1Reflections on current Hamas-Israel hostilities [183 words]Nenette GrunbergNov 15, 2012 23:52200666
one other option [38 words]Pat BenjaminNov 15, 2012 23:04200665
4The Mirror is Cracked. and World Opinion Worthless [65 words]Jules PostenNov 16, 2012 18:20200665
It's very simple [85 words]Kepha HorNov 17, 2012 14:51200665
1Wrong is Right [102 words]Jules PostenNov 19, 2012 14:36200665
2God will Right all Wrongs [57 words]KatscapeDec 3, 2012 00:38200665

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