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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jul 30, 2011 at 17:24

Dear Prof. Paul Eidelberg ,

Thanks a lot for your insightful input and the quotes. There is much truth in it no doubt. But I am afraid that at the same time there is something very important missing from it as well. You say :

"One terrible consequence will be the silencing of rational criticism of the Left and of Islam—an atheistic and a religious creed allied against the Judeo-Christian heritage. To comprehend the insanity of the Left, I will cite Dr. Michael Radu's posthumous book, Europe's Ghost: Tolerance, Jihadism, and the Crisis of the West (2009)—a monumental work with numerous case studies that illustrate the irrationality or perverse morality that permeates the policies of various European governments . [...] An unholy alliance among Middle East dictators, radical imams based in Europe, and Europe's traditional left wing has created a politics of victimology. This politics drives a [Muslim] culture that resists integration and adaptation, and aggravates such debilitating social ills as high immigration crime rates and entrenched unemployment. Nothing so helps Islamists recruit Muslim terrorists in Europe than the Left's efforts to describe Muslims as permanent victims" .

The main problem about this proposition is that as far as historical record is concerned it is not the left that either started the unholy alliance with evil Islam or has done as big damage to the West as their opponents from the right did for six decades supporting anything and anybody that could and was willing to fight communism .They reared the Moslem monster that promised to strangle the USSR without caring about the monster's plans and strenghth afterwards. I admit it is tragic the left is now employing the very same monster to strangle the right that was previouly used by the right wing to strangulate the left.

I will leave such unholy deals of the right anti-communist forces in the West as the US-Saudi pact from mid-70-ies that assured full US protection for the medieval and rabidly anti-Western Wahhabi Saudi regime in exchange for cheap oil and the re-investment of Saudi petro-dollars in the US or the betrayal of Cyprus by the right wing clique around Kissinger with the subsequent total extermination of Christianity in Northern Cyprys after the US-sanctioned invasion and occupation of that part of the island by Moslem Turks in 1974 or numerous other alliances with different Moslem regimes to use them against the atheist left threat.

But I can't leave aside by far the biggest and most "successful" pro-jihadist operation ever sponsored and undertaken by the anti-left forces in the West which was the notorious Operation "Cyclone". It was conceived and implemented by the US government with such prominent rightists as my countryman Zbigniev Brzezinski and president Ronald Reagan. Governments of other countries like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the UK, Germany etc. were invited and encourage to contribute to the anti-Soviet jihad. It's always worthwhile to watch old clips from those times both to refresh our memory and assist our judgement.

Operation "Cyclone" wasn't by any means reduced to giving arms and training on how to use them to the illiterate and dirty Moslem savages, to smuggle tens of thousands of Arab and other volunteers over Pakistan to Afghanistan to kill as many Russians as possible. At that time the amount of brainwashing, lies and propaganda that overflooded the Western media in favour of Islam and the Moslem cause threatened allegedly by "godless communists" was unprecedented and definitely wasn't limited to such propaganda efforts as the 1988 movie "The Beast of war" directed by Kevin Reynolds where the "evil" Soviets masacre good Moslems, blow wantonly mosques etc. I am prone to think that nobody has ever made more "efforts to describe Muslims as permanent victims" as the US-led propganda machine in that time. It is where one should look for teachers and models for today's pro-Moslem victimology propagated by the leftist media.

The amounts of money spent on supporting this elf-defeating unholy project is simply incredible. Some estimates go up to$ 20 bln. "The U.S. offered two packages of economic assistance and military sales to support Pakistan's role in the war against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. The first six-year assistance package (1981-87) amounted to US$3.2 billion, equally divided between economic assistance and military sales. The second six-year assistance package (1987-93) amounted to US$ 4.2 billion. Out of this US$2.28 billion were allocated for economic assistance in the form of grants or loan that carried the interest rate of 2-3 per cent. The rest of the allocation (US$1.74 billion) was in the form of credit for military purchases. Sale of non-U.S. arms to Pakistan for destination to Afghanistan was facilitated by Israel. Somewhere between $3–$20 billion in US funds were funneled into the country to train and equip Afghan resistance groups with weapons, including Stinger man-portable air-defense systems. The program funding was increased yearly due to lobbying by prominent U.S. politicians and government officials, such as Charles Wilson, Gordon Humphrey, Fred Ikle, and William Casey."

I wish more sources were available to get more details on this crucial event in the decline of the West.

Anyway, the unholy alliance with Islam didn't end at the Hindukush mountains. It continued in Europe where in the 90-ies two Moslem states were created at the expense of Christians by the allegedly so Christian Americans. Bosnia and Kosovo - two European Afghanistans - were built on the ruins of Christian churches and monasteries and look like a beginning resurrection of the Ottoman nightmare that had been tormenting the Balkans for half a millenium. There are almost no Christians left in Kosovo now which has turned into a huge mafia-run state, a thieves' den with drug trafficking, sex slave markets and gangs next to Camp Bondsteel - the biggest US military base in Europe !

Hence I can hardly agree with your optimism when you write :

"thanks very much to its tens of millions of evangelical Christians, America has not succumbed to the malaise of post-Christian Europe. Besides, America has a politically significant number of high profile individuals and organizations that strongly identify with the Judeo-Christian foundations of Western Civilization."

This sounds all fine on paper but seems to be borne out by no reality, I am afraid. When I compare the pro-jihadist record of America I wonder how can you blame Europe's left for committing your own sins which are by comparison on a much smaller , although arguably no less devastating, scale . Europe's left or even al-Quaida have created not a single Moslem state.The US with "politically significant number of high profile individuals and organizations that strongly identify with the Judeo-Christian foundations of Western Civilization" has destroyed ancient Christian lands enslaving them to an aggressive, traditionally hostile anti-Christian religion. On the ruins of Christian churches it established the two jihadist states of Bosnia and Kosovo infiltrated by wahhabism and thirst for revenge against the Christian Serb . Is this US crime against our civilization and history not much more heinous then than the left's crime of allowing mass Moslem immigration to remain in power with their votes? As Jesus once aptly noted "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" (Luke 6.41)


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