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Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kafiristan (Australia), Jan 24, 2010 at 18:34

Mr.Soetero, a Muslim from Indonesia continuing with his grievances against the Dutch, writes:

"Not too many people know that Dutch was one of the most primitive colonialist. "

That's probably because it's not true. The Dutch were a sophisticated trading nation with more than adequate technology to run a far flung trading 'empire' stretching from the 'East Indies' to the 'West Indies'. They had the economic prowess to be possibly the greatest trading nation in Europe at that time.

".....You can ask Indonesian what was they do in Indonesia for 350 years."

And you would get a biased opinion - just like Mr.Soetero's, from people who were not living at that time..

Colonialism has been a fact of life since the dawn of history. Certain groups more adept and having better technology and ambition have colonised others. Nothing new in that. It happened in ancient Greece , Perisa, Rome etc etc And with the Islamic invasion of North Africa - they had the swords and the horses and the will to kill or convert the local population.

Would you prefer that what is now Indonesia which was in those times a disparate group of tribes and races living across thousands of islands - to have been colonised by the Japanese? Or Chinese - or maybe Russians? Or possibly seen as a source of slaves by Arab slave traders? Instead - you got the Dutch. And their legacy has been health systems, constitutional law, road and railways etc etc.

Also we find examples of the Dutch actually stopping slavery which was endemic in certain parts of Indonesia:
"Slaves in Toraja society in Indonesia were family property. Sometimes Torajans decided to become slaves when they incurred a debt, pledging to work as payment. Slaves could be taken during wars, and slave trading was common. Torajan slaves were sold and shipped out to Java and Siam. Slaves could buy their freedom, but their children still inherited slave status. Slaves were prohibited from wearing bronze or gold, carving their houses, eating from the same dishes as their owners, or having sex with free women—a crime punishable by death. Slavery was abolished in 1909 by the Dutch East Indies government.[278][279]"

And while on this subject - please note:

"In A Persistent Evil: The Global Problem of Slavery, a report published by the Harvard International Review in 2002, Richard Re suggested: "Conservative estimates indicate that at least 27 million people, in places as diverse as Nigeria, Indonesia, and Brazil, live in conditions of forced bondage" "

" I think the rasist behaviour of Geert Wilders was the" small colonialist country syndrome" that they showed up in Indonesia long time ago."
How is Geert Wildeer's behaviour 'racist'??? You, as an adult human being as well as a muslim should know that Islam is not a race. Or are you pinning a label with negative connotations on someone to denigrate them because you don't like what they say? Like calling a non-Muslim a 'Kuffar' ????

"They were very rasist."
So the Muslims I see in certain suburbs here NOW - not 300 years ago - who don't even talk to 'Kuffar' and dress up in burkah's etc to recreate their pre-medieval arabian fable - what do you call their syndrome?

" I believe the man like Geert Wilders cannot stop the spread of Islam "

You also believe in flying winged donkey with 'the face and breasts of a woman' which can fly at supersonic speed. And that Mighty Mo split the moon in two with his finger. And that it's OK for a 53 year old self-styled prophet to sleep night after night with a nine year old girl.

".....because the people of Holland welcoming Islam "
Only the Muslims who live there - those who have not yet apostated.

http://blogthatnobodyread.blogspot.com/2007/09/taboo-on-islamic-apostasy-in.html

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/169819.php

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