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Submitted by Nura (United States), Jun 25, 2008 at 11:59

"Then share some numbers with us! One is too much, of course, but it happens all the time in the Islamic world, it's just not reported. That's not even counting all the Muslim men who rape first and second generation immigrants and native European women"

I will be happy to!!! One of the classes I took for my degree in psychology dealt with the very issue. The U.S. beuru of Justice has some very interesting statics. It is estimated that 1 in 6 women will be raped or a victim of sexual assault within their lifetime. The most recent calculation for rape in this country was in 2006. It was estimated that 272,350 sexual assaults/rape occurred in this year only!! That is a rape every 2 minutes in this country!

"It is because of the teachings of Mohammed (ISLAM) that this happens. One clinic in Oslo, Norway, can't even keep up with all the rape victims because recent Muslim immigration has increased the sexual crimes so much"

Exactly what teachings are those? For you to make such a great assertion you need provide evidence. Islam does not teach rape what are you talking about? The Christianity teaches rape and pedophilia? If you look at Christian history you will have MANY examples of both. We need not go into that now, I am not trying to offend people. But if you think really hard I'm sure you will come up with something. Muslim religious leaders are not exactly in the news for this type of behavior.

"REPORTED crimes, PROSECUTED crimes are unknown. Why? Because women, like YOU, are regarding as inferior. If you were raped in say, Pakistan, your testimony means nothing compared to that of a man. If you even reported it, you would put your life on the line. In Iran, you'd be stoned for adultery and your male rapist would go free."

Since we are talking about reported rape, I think that you should know that 60% of rapes go unreported in this country (U.S. Department of Justice.2005 National Crime Victimization Study. 2005)!!! I wonder why considering women in this country does not have to worry being stoned to death? Maybe there other psychological/social factors that cause women to not report, as we see here in this country

"In Iran, you'd be stoned for adultery and your male rapist would go free."

Stoning to death, another tired argument. When was the last time a person was stoned in the Muslim world? When you get that number then figure out how often that had happened in the last century! For your information, Stoning goes way back. The God of Abraham ordered it for various sins in the of testament such as hitting your parents, fornication, adultery, bestiality ect. All of these acts were punishable by death and more than a few were punished by stoning. Check Exodus for further proof.

As far as rapist going free in Pakistan, you should know the 15 out of 16 rapists go free in this country!! Again check statistics. Again, why is there such a strong comparison for these "underdeveloped nation"? We should be doing much better than them, right?

"That's because of post-modern liberalism, but Muslims all over the world support them, because you see them as the weaker party, and you want the West to be weak. Muslims don't support conservative values because it makes jihad and dawah harder."

So conservative are a stronger party? It was conservatives who supported slavery in this country. Conservatives supports the war in Iraq and the support of the Zionist state of Israel. Conservatives would love to bring back the old days where Christians were burning would be witches again. For your information I am a Muslim who supports neither. I support and believe in Islam that's it that's all. As Muslims we should support whoever is right regardless of religious and political views. Both sides are filled with Western extremists.

Muslim Pirates? I think that European are more notorious and well-known for their exploits in the world. Their thievery, pillaging and destroying as they went along. Yes Muslims knew Christians before The U.S. was born. We remember the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition very well!!

"The country was destroyed by Saddam Hussein and the Baath Party. The West has given Iraqis hope, but I guess some of them would just rather live a life of mischief and war anyhow, again, because of orthodox Islam."

Really, I think that the country was destroyed by the British the last time I checked. How do you think dictators get into power? That is what the West does. They destroy Nations and then put in Dictators that will serve their interest. The entire Islamic State was dismantled by the British and separated into the countries that we see today.

You sound like a true ... Do you know many people have been killed in Iraq? Hundreds of thousands. We would assume that these people had families, mothers,sisters,brothers ect. How well could YOU go on after someone you loved was killed a violent death? My children means more than this PERCEPTION of freedom. I'm sure they would rather have their families back, alive than a flawed government that has supported Shia militias. They would rather have clean water, peace and security which the masses of them had under Saddam. It is the quality of life that people want regardless of religion.

"Slavery from Africa was started by Muslims, and remember, we weren't a country until 1776. Slavery was outlawed less than a 100 years later."

Really!! Do you think youre talking to an idiot? How can you make such a statement of blatant inaccuracy? Slavery in Africa existed WAY BEFORE ISLAM. In fact, didn't ancient Greece and Rome practice slavery? Most of the inhabitants of Rome were slaves. Despite this fact, the slavery that was practiced by this country is known to be one of the harshest and most brutal examples of slavery in History!!! Although Africans practiced "slavery", they were more like the indentured servants in England. They were not abused and tortured like here in the U.S. Slavery was usually the result of warring Kingdoms their form of POWs. In Islam Slaves had rights!! They were not to be hit, the owners were to help them if there was too much work, there were encouraged to be freed by the Prophet(PBUH), they were to have food and clothing as their masters. Grossly different for the institution of slavery by Europeans which was unknown to these people. Who cares if the country didn't become one until after the civil war! What does that prove?

"Both of those statements are completely false. Amnesty International has countless pages on human rights abuses in the Muslim world and China and Russia that FAR exceed anything America does"

Really? The last documented lynching in this country was in 1968!! T o add the killing of James Byrd in 1998 where he was dragged by a truck with a chain around his neck by three white men has been argued to be a modern day account of lynching.

Why you are checking amnesty International, why don't you check the reports of Israel's brutality against the Palestinians. The state that is over-whelming supported by this so-called "Liberal nation" further proof that this country is not ran by liberals. Check the recent reports of U.S. torture and detainment of Muslims, including the reports of young boys who are being detained and interrogated. The U.N has called for the release of these kids. How can you contend that this country has moral authority in the world!!!

"Talk to the EU about that. Those lands were colonized after Muslims tried to invade Europe through Vienna"

Funny, really. Tell me, which countries on the face of the earth that has not been colonized by Europeans in the last century? Really, who are the world's colonizers here?

"You're right, it's not. If you like it so much in your Middle Eastern country, why did you come back here? We don't need people like you in America, Nura. If you don't like it here, leave. and take all those Hollywood liberals who said they'd move out in 2004 if Bush got re-elected.

Really, we have no shortage of Catholic Germans, Hispanics and Filipinos who want to come here. Your knowledge and skills can be replaced easily"

You know what the problem is here in America? Assumptions that are not supported by the facts of history or at the least Data. I was born in America as the rest of my family so I really don't have a choice to be here at this time. I came back because I have resolved to give dawah to my family until they all become Muslim. Within a year another one of my sisters converted to Islam. I am working on my mother and a few of my other siblings. See, I want to fee my family from the slavery of secularism. Islam is Freedom. I enjoy making people like you angry at my existence.

When I go outside I wear the Hijab, Jilbab, everything that is required of me and I laugh when people look at me and get upset. You cannot change me, and people like you fume at that. That you have not control over my faith or the faith of people like me. It is a humbling that I am happy to be apart of.

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