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Submitted by Petros Houhoulis (Greece), Apr 4, 2013 at 02:54

I can't say I'm surprised. The Erdogan administration has a great tendency to over emphasize its' achievements. Whether those are real or imaginary is yet to be seen. It shall depend upon the negotiations between Turkey and Israel about the compensation for the dead, and other similar issues.

Beyond that, it has to be said that an apology was inevitable. Israel made a mistake of intervening outside of its' borders and within international waters. Since Israel is a western state, it was inevitable that it would come to recognize the facts sooner or later. An apology for the death of 9 people was not so bad after all. The Germans - who, by the way, are also a western state - have found themselves in a much worse situation, vis-a-vis Israel.

Turkey is an eastern state. They have never managed to have a perception of reality that was not blurred by their self-righteousness...

Anyway, this is certainly not gonna be the end of the story. You should all know by now of Davutoglus' Neo-Ottoman delusions of grandeur. What you don't know is how the story ends. Let me explain it for you:

The last time when history noticed the Persians being overlords of the Palestinian territories was when the Persians were still Persians, and the Palestinians were not Arabs (funny enough, but I could pose myself as a Palestinian more than the Arabs. The legendary Sea Peoples who conquered that territory had their origins in my backyard, as some source points out that my nearby river Strymon was used to be called Palestinos from the name of a mythical Thracian king who was drown there) while for the most of its' recent history, those same Palestinian Territories have been a part of the Ottoman empire.

It is rather obvious that modern Iran has little sway over the Palestinians, and despite their recent support for Hamas since the Saudis backed down after 9/11 the Iranians couldn't get any support of Hamas towards the Syrian regime and as a result they ceased funding them. It is not a secret after all that the vast majority of the Palestinian Arabs are Sunni Muslims, with a small Christian minority and virtually no Shia presence. It is obvious that the Sunni Palestinian Arabs and the Shia Iranians do not share the same interests.

Since the change of regime in Iraq, the Shias toppled the Sunnis and the Iranian influence there increased in par with the demographic situation on the ground. Once the regime change in Syria is complete, the Sunnis shall topple the Alawite branch of Shia and complete the exact reverse scenario to that or Iraq. More importantly though, once the Syrian regime completes, the Shia shall be cut off from any access to the Mediterranean sea.

As a result, Iran shall no longer be a threat to Israel. You see, the threat that a nuclear Iran shall attack Israel with nuclear warheads is not a feasible option, because any such action shall bring destruction to lands and monuments that all Muslims consider as sacred, nonwithstanding the fact that Iran shall have to face repercussions from both Israel and the U.S. of A., and with proper justification the latter won't hesitate to wipe Iran from the face of the Earth. Furthermore, Iran has not initiated an attack upon anybody outside of its' borders for more than a century now, under many different regimes. Iran would gladly swap a partial control of Syria with a full control of the Arab regions of Iraq, for obvious reasons, with the Kurds filling the voids in both Kurdish Iraq and Syria and acting as a buffer between Israel and Turkeys' Neo-Ottoman ambitions.

In contrast to the Persians, the Turks have a long tradition of invading and massacring other peoples' territories. They own the most of the Middle East a century ago and they keep dreaming of reclaiming it recently. Erdogan does nothing more than pronounce this desire, dreaming for himself the position of the "leader of the Muslim world", or even perhaps the position of the Chaliph... And the only way for Israel to stop him would be the traditional "divide and rule" strategy, by supporting the Kurds over the Turks. As a matter of fact the Kurds can rely upon their own demographic explosion to become a majority within Turkey in the next decades, something that shall force Turkey to let them go and build their own state, sooner or later.

I bet that in a short time ahead of us, we shall see some billboards in ancient Amida, but this time Erdogan shall be the sad-looking, and Abdullah Ocalan shall be the smiling face. Turkey shall have expired its' usefulness to the western world, something that was bound to happen the very moment Davutoglu dreamed upon encroaching upon the territory of several well-established western states, under the guise of his Ottoman hallucinations...

Submitting....

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