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Submitted by Gracie (United States), Sep 1, 2006 at 00:31

I love how people ... always like to blame the left for everything. In this article you make my point for me. You write, "..., espoused the typical anti-Israel views of a far-leftist..."

... FYI, many people on the right - the far right even - make anti-Israel comments, do not support the Jewish state, and, in fact, just don't like Jews, period. Let me give you a few examples to freshen your memory:

Pat Robertson:
"God considers this land to be his. You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine.' ... He was dividing God's land. And I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the E.U., the United Nations, or the United States of America.' God says, 'This land belongs to me. You better leave it alone.'" --Pat Robertson, on why Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a massive stroke

Patrick J. Buchanan
Subject: Buchanan aides beat up Jewish protestors Date: 20 Mar 1995 13:06:34 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) March 20, 1995 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Contact Judy Balint 718-884-8499. JEWISH ANTI-BUCHANAN PROTESTORS BEATEN AND KICKED AT CAMPAIGN KICK-OFF RALLY IN NEW HAMPSHIRE Three members of the Coalition for Jewish Concerns-Amcha demonstrating against Pat Buchanan's anti-Semitism and bigotry were beaten, kicked and thrown down stairs by Buchanan security guards and campaign workers in Manchester NH this morning. The three, rabbinical student David Kalb, and college students Moshe Maoz and Ronn Torossian were part of a CJC-Amcha group who jumped on the stage as Buchanan was announcing his intention to run for President on the Republican ticket in 1996. Carrying signs saying, "Pat = Duke Without the Sheets" and "Buchanan is a racist" the three were shoved, pushed to the ground and beaten while Buchanan looked on. Even after it was established that the CJC-Amcha activists were unarmed, Buchanan guards pushed and dragged the students down three flights of stairs and outside to the parking lot of the building where they continued to beat, punch and kick the three until Manchester police officers intervened and threatened to arrest Buchanan's campaign director. Kalb, Torrosian and Maoz sustained bruises, scratches, a black eye and ripped clothing in the attack. The group is pressing assault charges against the Buchanan campaign at the Manchester police department. "We hope that the rest of the campaign will not be conducted in this manner," said Judy Balint, national director of the New York-based Jewish activist group. "There must be a place for peaceful protest against anti-Semitism and bigotry without the fear of being beaten by paid goons," she asserted. "It was clear our protestors were unarmed and had no intention of causing Buchanan any physical harm--the treatment they received was completely unwarranted." "Today's protest was to expose Buchanan's record of continued support for accused Nazi war criminals including Klaus Barbie; Buchanan's "doubts about whether Jews were gassed at Treblinka," his lauding of Hitler, calling him "an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier in the Great War" and "a leader steeped in the history of Europe." Buchanan referred to Capitol Hill as "Israel's occupied territory," and has called the American pro-Israel lobby, Israel's "amen corner in the US." Buchanan's comments raise the specter of a Jewish conspiracy and his other deplorable comments include a statement made in 1992 that "only Israel and American Jews wanted war in the Persian Gulf" and suggested that the Jews would send non-Jews to fight the war," noted Ronn Torossian and David Kalb. "Our position is that even if you agree with every one of Buchanan's programs, if he is an anti-Semite and a defender of Nazis that would make it immoral for any decent American to vote for him," said National president of the Coalition for Jewish Concerns-Amcha, Rabbi Avi Weiss. CJC-AMCHA activists followed Buchanan on the campaign trail in 1992 and were verbally and physically assaulted in New Hampshire, Georgia, Rhode Island and Massachussetts by Buchanan supporters. In Marietta, Georgia in answer to Rabbi Weiss' accusation that he is a racist, Buchanan said, "This is a rally for Americans, by American's in the good 'ole USA." The following day the American Jewish Congress and the American Jewish Committee declared the statement a clear indication of Buchanan's anti-Semitism. "As Pat Buchanan campaigns for the Republican nomination, we will campaign against his bigotry and anti-Semitism everywhere he goes," the CJC-Amcha group declared.

More Buchanan:
On Saturday, February 24, 1996, Professor Stephen Feinberg (University of Minnesota) posted the following piece to the Holocaust Discussion Group: To: Multiple recipients of list HOLOCAUS Subject: Pat Buchanan, the Jews & the Holocaust From: Stephen Feinstein PATRICK BUCHANAN: IN HIS OWN WORDS * Buchanan told Elie Wiesel that President Reagan must not surrender to "Jewish pressure" against visiting Bitburg, a German cemetery where SS men were buried. In a White House meeting with Jewish leaders, Buchanan reminded them that they were "Americans first," as fellow staffer Ed Rollins later recounted to Reagan biographer Lou Cannon. Buchanan repreatedly scrawled the phrase "Succumbing to the pressure of the Jews" on his notepad during the meeting. * In 1990 William Buckley, Buchanan's former mentor, wrote a 20,000 word essay on Buchanan that concluded: "I find it impossible to defend Pat Buchanan against the charge" of anti-Semitism. * Buchanan has called Hitler a "man of great courage" and extraordinary gifts." * On ABC Nightline, March 11, 1992, Buchanan told anchorman, Chris Wallace: "I'm one of the few people in this city, Chris, who's had the guts to stand up to the agenda of the special interests, whether it's the civil rights lobbyist or the AIPAC lobby or the gay rights lobby, and say that their agenda is not in the interest of a good society and not in the interest of my country." * In a March 13, 1991 syndicated column Buchanan called Israel "a strategic albatross draped around the neck of the United States." * In an interview in Present Tense magazine, Buchanan stated that "if my friends in the Jewish community feel Pat Buchanan, a traditionalist Catholic, owes some kind of apology for the record of the Holy Father during World War II, they can wait, because it's not going to be forthcoming." * In the Chicago Sun Times of March 1989, Buchanan criticized the West for ostracizing Kurt Waldheim. Buchanan rationalized,"like others in Hitler's army, Lt. Waldheim looked the other way." (Previously, as Secretary General of the United Nations, Waldheim had been an object of Buchanan's scorn). * On The McLaughlin Report, August 26, 1990: "There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the Middle East, the Israeli Defense Ministry and its amen corner in the United States." * In Newsweek, December 23, 1991, Jonathan Alter writes that in 1983 Buchanan criticized the US government for expressing regret over its postwar protection of Klaus Barbie. * In 1985 Buchanan advocated restoring citizenship of Arthur Rudolph, an ex-Nazi rocket scientist * In 1987 Buchanan lobbied to stop deportation of Karl Linnas, accused of Nazi atrocities in Estonia. * In a March 17, 1990 column, Buchanan wrote that it was impossible for 850,000 Jews to be killed by diesel exhaust fed into the gas chamber at Treblinka. "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody." According to Jacob Weisberg in his article "The Heresies of Pat Buchanan," October 22, 1990, The New Republic, "Buchanan stands by his bizarre claim about the diesel engines but refuses to discuss it on the record. Suffice it to say that he embraces a bolder debunking claim than he is yet willing to endorse in print...Where did he get the anecdote ("proving" his assertion about the diesel)? 'Somebody sent it to me.' "Buchanan's source was almost certainly the July 1988 issue of a Newsletter of the German American Information and Education Association--a known Holocaust denial group which quotes extensively from a story of schoolchildren who emerged unharmed after being exposed to diesel fumes while trapped in a train tunnel. * On March 2, 1992, at a campaign rally in Marietta, Georgia, where Rabbi Avi Weiss called out, "Your anti-Semitism makes America last," Buchanan shot back, "This rally is of Americans, for Americans and for the good 'ole USA, my friends." * In the New York Post, March 17, 1990,Buchanan referred to a"so called Holocaust survivors syndrome" which he described as involving"group fantasies of martyrdom and heroics." *Buchanan was a featured columnist for The Spotlight, a patently anti-Semitic and anti-Black publication that championed David Duke. * Former Reagan press secretary Larry Speakes writes of Buchanan in his memoirs, 'Speaking Out,' "..he (Buchanan) was so blindly reactionary." * Buchanan repeatedly referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli occupied territory." (McLaughlin Report, June 1990) * On February 4, 1987 in The Washington Post, Buchanan wrote: "Dr. Martin Luther King is one of the most divisive men in contemporary history..." In an earlier article in the Globe-Democrat, Buchanan wrote that King was "sometimes demagogic and irresponsible in his public statements." * In a January 16, 1986 column, Buchanan wrote:" But apartheid is not the worst situation facing Africans today. Not remotely. If it were, they wouldn't be pouring into South Africa from such "liberated" zones as Mozambique." * In 1990, before the Gulf War, Buchanan wrote that if the US went to war, "the fighting would be done by kids with names like McAllister, Murphy, Gonzales and Leroy Brown." The National Review (December 30, 1991) commented that "There is no way to read that sentence without concluding that Pat Buchanan was suggesting that American Jews manage to avoid personal military exposure even while advancing military policies they (uniquely?) engender."

Then we have Jerry Falwell:

I think the Moslem faith teaches hate.
Jerry Falwell

If I were president of the United States, I would include Moslems in my presidency.
Jerry Falwell
(now isn't that strange - he'd want Muslim's in his White House even after stating their faith preaches hate)

Scientology has a terrible track record of bigotry.
Jerry Falwell
*cough cough*

You know, I went a personal boycott of Hollywood about 45 years ago.
Jerry Falwell

I don't think I know a Scientologist except when I see one or two of their actors on the Hollywood screen.
Jerry Falwell

(uh, which one is it - has he boycotted Hollywood for 45 years or so or does he know a Scientologist when he sees one on the screen?)

Billy Graham, and his anti-Semitic remarks came forth in 2003 when Nixon White House tapes were released catching both President Nixon and Graham. To Graham's credit though, at least he has asked for forgiveness.

There's Mel Gibson and his anti-Semitic tirade when he was pulled over this summer.

But, he too did apologize.

In France, Jean-Marie Le Pen, known as a right wing extremist and an anti-Semite Holocaust denier was qualified to run for president in France in 2002.

We have Buchanan and Robertson, so we beat the French.

Radio Maryja, a conservative Catholic radio station in Poland was forced to apologize in April for their anti-Semitic remarks.

Now, those are just a few who come to mind. They're all right-wing extremists. Do some remarks made by the far-right mean they are "typical" of the far-right. No! Does this mean I think everyone on the right is an anti-Semite? No! Just like you should not believe all anti-Semite's are on the left or everyone on the extreme left is an anti-Semite. Portraying such a picture to your readers is dishonest, and just bad journalism. Shame Shame.

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