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Our dear Fork is not aware that al-Mufasereen have no clue what does the Qur'an say in Surat al-Ruum!

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Dec 3, 2019 at 12:28

You see our dear Fork we kuffar can read the Qur'an and al-Tafasir (pl Tafsir) in Arabic. You? You have to depend on bogus translation and trolling Tablighee web sites

Well the Qur'an says

غلبت الروم

However, al-Tabari can read the word غلبت as:

1. غَلَبَتْ or (The Romans/Greeks) won and in this case the reading of the verse would be: The Romans/Greeks won (the war)

Or

2. غُلِبَتْ or (The Romans/Greeks) LOST (the war)

And this happens with a slight change in the short vowels

Remember that the original text of the Qur'an has no short vowels

So here is the disaster:

Again this is the timeline of the Persian/Greek war of 614/616 AD to 627 AD:

1. The initial part of the war from 614 AD to 622 AD the Persians invaded and occupied Mesopotamia, the Levant, Asia Minor, the Syrian desert including today's Israel/Palestine and Egypt. So the Persians won and the Greeks lost this part of the war

2. The Persians sustained major defeats in Upper Mesopotamia in 622 AD. So the Greeks won this part of the war

3. And it was down hill from that point on and the Persians were expelled from Egypt in 627 AD and that was the end of the war

4. The Arabs invaded the Middle East and both the Persian and Greek empires in the Middle East in 633 AD

This means the following:

1. The Persians won and the Greeks lost the first part of the war

2. The Greeks won and the Persians lost the post 622 AD part of the war

3. The invading Arabs won and the Greeks lost post 633 AD

Notice that the Qur'an does not mention anything about the Persians right our dear Fork?

This is clearly why al-Tabari had no clue how to read the word غلبت and it is a real in both cases so is it Won or Lost! What a disaster! Do you get it so far our dear Fork?

More disasters? The Qur'an says: that the Greeks after losing/winning the war سيغلبون and this word can be read with ease as either سَيَغْلِبُونْ or They (the Greeks) will WIN but it can also be read with very slight change in short vowels that do not even exist in the rasm as سَيُغْلَبُونْ or They (the Greeks) will be Defeated which fits very nicely with what happened in 633 AD when they were defeated and the invading Arabs won

What a disaster!

More disaster? the word بضع in بضع سنين was read as 3-9 years! Which is clearly made up by al-Mufasereen

So let us count backwards: In the year 627 AD the Persians was the end of the war

Now al-Mufaserren tell us that these verses were revealed at the time of the battle of Badr took place in 624 AD However, by then we already knew that the Greeks have won the war with the Persians! Remember 622 AD

So let us subtract 624- 614= 10 years which would make the بضع سنين or 3-9 years is a big fat lie

And as usual other al-Mufasereen are not sure and it could have been revealed during the invasion/battle of al-Hudaibiyya غزوة الحديبية in 627 AD Here is the disaster: The war ended by then and the Persians were out of Egypt in 627 AD! What a disaster and so much for the word Ba'd means 3-9 years.

More disasters? Muslim tablighees tell us: "Brothers, Prophet Muhammad predicted correctly the outcome of the war" What a joke.

You see our dear Fork you and I can have a 50% chance of predicting the outcome of any war! Right? And to add insult to injury the verses were revealed AFTER 622 AD when the Persians already lost the war in Upper Mesopotamia

But again the worst enemy of Islam is the Islamic historical tradition and the books of Islam

So you see our dear Fork the word Adna is the least disaster in this funny saga

Now do us a favor and stick to Urdu

Submitting....

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Title Commenter Date Thread
1Plenty to chew on [1211 words]David W. LincolnJun 10, 2013 11:24206872
10The hidden origin of Islam [552 words]dhimmi no moreJun 11, 2013 06:12206872
3Abbasid and Muslim Caliphate [257 words]seven upJun 13, 2013 12:12206872
9Our dear 7 Up and ignorance is bliss! [1690 words]dhimmi no moreJun 15, 2013 07:24206872
1Also, on the "hidden origins"... [122 words]JC VaughanJun 18, 2013 15:08206872
The hidden origin of Islam revisited [286 words]dhimmi no moreJun 19, 2013 07:09206872
1revisionist historians of Islam beware. [211 words]MozereJun 22, 2013 06:33206872
2the Truth - abbasid Caliphate [909 words]Gaurdian of DeenJun 22, 2013 14:55206872
3The looters join other looters this is a fact [727 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 07:09206872
2Teaching victims of Arabian imperialism one at a time part one [1170 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 07:59206872
2Our dear GoD is saying that Muhammad must be the author of Suart al-Ruum what a disaster [445 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 09:35206872
2Islam and racism and the victims of Arabian imperialism [256 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 10:43206872
3Adna means Nearest! And half knowledge is damn dangerous [1425 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 11:24206872
2Exposing lies and ignorance and this is what Ibn kathir says about Q30:3 and the word al -adna [190 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 11:35206872
4Άλωση της Κωνσταντινούπολης, and when the civilized join the barbarian [178 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 12:08206872
2Teaching Arabic to wannabe Arabs for the readers read and laugh [887 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 14:52206872
1More evidence from Kutub al-Turath that the word Adna means Nearer and not lowest! this time it is al-Qurtubi! [295 words]dhimmi no moreJun 24, 2013 14:08206872
Proof for all readers [56 words]Guardian of DeenJun 25, 2013 00:43206872
دنيء mean lowly [140 words]Guardian of DeenJun 25, 2013 00:57206872
Lowest point on Earth [122 words]Guardian of DeenJun 25, 2013 01:31206872
not a surprise at all [31 words]Guaridan of DeenJun 25, 2013 01:36206872
It only took 4 years [149 words]MozereJun 25, 2013 16:18206872
6The Quranic disaster of Surat al-Ruum! Again! [1971 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2013 07:30206872
Prophecies of Muhammad [315 words]Guardian of DeenJun 26, 2013 08:09206872
4Exposing lies: this time Quranic translations of the word al-adna! [593 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2013 13:13206872
2Teaching ignorant tablighees one at a time and this time the map of the last Persian/Greek war [89 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2013 13:27206872
2Teaching Arabic to wannabe arabs and the word Greek in Arabic and the word Ruum [638 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2013 13:49206872
1Tablighees are told if you have no answers then change the subject or الحيدة [155 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2013 06:33206872
Mongol and other tribal invasions and origins of Abrahamic religions [115 words]MozereJun 27, 2013 07:02206872
1More ignorance [699 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2013 07:09206872
1More lies and ignorance [147 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2013 07:51206872
2Our dear Guardian is quoting kuffar sources and he rejects Islamic sources! What a disaster [589 words]dhimmi no moreJun 28, 2013 06:39206872
2When confronted with fact - change the topic! [381 words]dhimmi no moreJun 28, 2013 07:02206872
and speaking of changing the subject [60 words]Guardian of DeenJun 29, 2013 09:03206872
1The civilized and the barbarian [217 words]dhimmi no moreJun 29, 2013 09:49206872
read the map one more time, [81 words]Guardian of DeenJun 29, 2013 09:54206872
you could not refute any prophecy [723 words]Guardian of DeenJul 3, 2013 02:31206872
2The flat Quranic earth! [391 words]dhimmi no moreJul 3, 2013 08:44206872
1And the ignorance goes on and on [371 words]dhimmi no moreJul 3, 2013 08:58206872
1Our dear GoD prays to Muhammad what a disaster [762 words]dhimmi no moreJul 4, 2013 12:51206872
1More tablighee twsists and turns [284 words]dhimmi no moreJul 5, 2013 06:56206872
2Allah tells Muhammad in the Qur'an that he cannot foretell the future! So do you disagree with Allah our dear Guardian? [97 words]dhimmi no moreJul 5, 2013 12:50206872
nice try [67 words]Guardian of DeenJul 5, 2013 16:45206872
1Exposing lies and fabrications and ignorance [176 words]dhimmi no moreJul 6, 2013 06:27206872
here are the verses of the unseen [107 words]Guardian of DeenJul 7, 2013 06:10206872
reply to your questions [152 words]Guardian of DeenJul 7, 2013 06:20206872
lazy ... [21 words]Guardian of DeenJul 9, 2013 03:34206872
1Teaching Arabic to wannabe Arabs [387 words]dhimmi no moreJul 9, 2013 16:31206872
Adna again! [175 words]dhimmi no moreJul 9, 2013 16:39206872
2More lies and exposing liars [882 words]dhimmi no moreJul 9, 2013 18:11206872
Getting confused? or struck dumb? [45 words]Guardian of DeenJul 11, 2013 02:59206872
here is another translation for the word low [55 words]Guardian of DeenJul 11, 2013 03:08206872
1Tablighee twists and turns [73 words]dhimmi no moreJul 11, 2013 06:23206872
More twists and turns [73 words]dhimmi no moreJul 12, 2013 05:52206872
2More tablighee ignorance [162 words]dhimmi no moreJul 12, 2013 07:20206872
Adna means low [71 words]forkNov 29, 2019 05:02206872
Our dear Fork needs to stick to Urdu! And Argument from "But al-Qurtubi was human and not infallible" [454 words]dhimmi no moreDec 1, 2019 08:02206872
al-Tabari defines the word Adna! More disasters for our dear Fork who needs to stick to Urdu! [185 words]dhimmi no moreDec 1, 2019 08:26206872
More disasters for our dear Fork and this time translations of the Qur'an [110 words]dhimmi no moreDec 1, 2019 08:39206872
Our dear Fork aka شوكة and argument from: Ask a Christian Arabic! Oh is this another ridiculous "Brother Christian Arabs call their God Allah"? [144 words]dhimmi no moreDec 1, 2019 11:38206872
Our dear Fork where is your evidence that "Adna means low"? I will be waiting [418 words]dhimmi no moreDec 2, 2019 06:54206872
Our dear Fork is not aware that al-Mufasereen have no clue what does the Qur'an say in Surat al-Ruum! [678 words]dhimmi no moreDec 3, 2019 12:28206872
Adna has two meanings like I said before [108 words]ForkDec 16, 2019 19:09206872
Adna has more than one meanings [101 words]ForkDec 16, 2019 20:11206872
Your comment shows you dont know what you are talking about. Proof in comment below. [87 words]ForkDec 16, 2019 20:26206872
1Dhimmi-no-more's repeated arguments with Islamists show that Islamic doctrine cannot be sustained [379 words]PrashantDec 17, 2019 23:09206872
Our dear Fork must be saying that Arabic speaking Mufasereen are a bunch of liars and he has the answer [393 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:04206872
Our dear Fork and the Qur'an says that the earth is flat! [351 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:24206872
Our dear Fork al-Tablighee is not aware that his link from elmaany dictionary tells us that Adna means NEAR! I wonder why? [1114 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:41206872
Every tablighee and his cousin and Arabic to English translations of the Islamic literary sources and it is a disaster [146 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:54206872
More questions for our dear Fork! [46 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:57206872
The Qur'an and modern Arabic! [270 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 13:04206872
Our dear Fork and teaching the Arabic language to wannabe Arabs and the word for today: دنيء [359 words]dhimmi no moreDec 27, 2019 05:46206872
Here is Tafsir al-Tabari of Q7:169 and the word al-Adna [202 words]dhimmi no moreDec 28, 2019 07:33206872
Our dear Fork: You need to stick to Urdu and stay away from "googletranslate" [56 words]dhimmi no moreDec 28, 2019 07:42206872
More disasters for our dear Fork is not aware that the Qur'an says: Allah did not send any miracles to Muhammad! [244 words]dhimmi no moreDec 30, 2019 11:18206872
More disasters for our dear Fork and this time from Tafsir al-Jalalyin and Q7:169 [249 words]dhimmi no moreJan 1, 2020 12:12206872
Book Review: "Corrections in Early Qur'an Manuscripts" [407 words]dhimmi no moreJan 7, 2020 11:30206872
4Jewish Prophets Words Bear Fact in the Coming Middle-East Wars [477 words]BrianJun 9, 2013 23:46206865
Go Brian Go! [8 words]FroikeJun 21, 2013 12:02206865
The Republic of Turkey [73 words]MozereJun 22, 2013 03:57206865
not quite true [124 words]Guardian of DeenJun 29, 2013 09:42206865

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