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Our dear Fork is not aware that al-Mufasereen have no clue what does the Qur'an say in Surat al-Ruum!

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Dec 3, 2019 at 12:28

You see our dear Fork we kuffar can read the Qur'an and al-Tafasir (pl Tafsir) in Arabic. You? You have to depend on bogus translation and trolling Tablighee web sites

Well the Qur'an says

غلبت الروم

However, al-Tabari can read the word غلبت as:

1. غَلَبَتْ or (The Romans/Greeks) won and in this case the reading of the verse would be: The Romans/Greeks won (the war)

Or

2. غُلِبَتْ or (The Romans/Greeks) LOST (the war)

And this happens with a slight change in the short vowels

Remember that the original text of the Qur'an has no short vowels

So here is the disaster:

Again this is the timeline of the Persian/Greek war of 614/616 AD to 627 AD:

1. The initial part of the war from 614 AD to 622 AD the Persians invaded and occupied Mesopotamia, the Levant, Asia Minor, the Syrian desert including today's Israel/Palestine and Egypt. So the Persians won and the Greeks lost this part of the war

2. The Persians sustained major defeats in Upper Mesopotamia in 622 AD. So the Greeks won this part of the war

3. And it was down hill from that point on and the Persians were expelled from Egypt in 627 AD and that was the end of the war

4. The Arabs invaded the Middle East and both the Persian and Greek empires in the Middle East in 633 AD

This means the following:

1. The Persians won and the Greeks lost the first part of the war

2. The Greeks won and the Persians lost the post 622 AD part of the war

3. The invading Arabs won and the Greeks lost post 633 AD

Notice that the Qur'an does not mention anything about the Persians right our dear Fork?

This is clearly why al-Tabari had no clue how to read the word غلبت and it is a real in both cases so is it Won or Lost! What a disaster! Do you get it so far our dear Fork?

More disasters? The Qur'an says: that the Greeks after losing/winning the war سيغلبون and this word can be read with ease as either سَيَغْلِبُونْ or They (the Greeks) will WIN but it can also be read with very slight change in short vowels that do not even exist in the rasm as سَيُغْلَبُونْ or They (the Greeks) will be Defeated which fits very nicely with what happened in 633 AD when they were defeated and the invading Arabs won

What a disaster!

More disaster? the word بضع in بضع سنين was read as 3-9 years! Which is clearly made up by al-Mufasereen

So let us count backwards: In the year 627 AD the Persians was the end of the war

Now al-Mufaserren tell us that these verses were revealed at the time of the battle of Badr took place in 624 AD However, by then we already knew that the Greeks have won the war with the Persians! Remember 622 AD

So let us subtract 624- 614= 10 years which would make the بضع سنين or 3-9 years is a big fat lie

And as usual other al-Mufasereen are not sure and it could have been revealed during the invasion/battle of al-Hudaibiyya غزوة الحديبية in 627 AD Here is the disaster: The war ended by then and the Persians were out of Egypt in 627 AD! What a disaster and so much for the word Ba'd means 3-9 years.

More disasters? Muslim tablighees tell us: "Brothers, Prophet Muhammad predicted correctly the outcome of the war" What a joke.

You see our dear Fork you and I can have a 50% chance of predicting the outcome of any war! Right? And to add insult to injury the verses were revealed AFTER 622 AD when the Persians already lost the war in Upper Mesopotamia

But again the worst enemy of Islam is the Islamic historical tradition and the books of Islam

So you see our dear Fork the word Adna is the least disaster in this funny saga

Now do us a favor and stick to Urdu

Submitting....

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