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Our dear 7 Up and ignorance is bliss!

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jun 15, 2013 at 07:24

Our dear 7 Up who lives among kuffar that pay the cost of his health insurance and social benefits and I understand that every Pakistani coming to Canada the likes of our dear 7 Up costs the kuffar in Canada close to $500,000 right our dear 7 Up and this is why Canadians will stop allowing grand papa and grand mama from Pakistan to immigrate to Canada right our dear 7 Up?

Ever since the beginning of Islam,

You mean Arabian imperialism?

prophet Muhammad prophecised many events that will happen after he was gone

Really? Then how about in Hadith al-Bukhari number 6.378 where no other than 3A'isha (his beloved wife who was 6 years old when he married her and he was a man of 53! What a disaster and she also used to breast feed the youth of Quraish!) and this is what she said and I'm only paraphrasing it:

"And who ever tells you that Abul Qasim (aka Qutham aka Muahmmad the PUBH) knows what is going to happen is a blatant liar"

Oh and she even quoted a verse from the Qur'an where it says

وماتدري نفس ماذا تكسب غدا وماتدري نفس باي ارض تموت

Do you know what this means? It means that 3Aisha who used to breast feed the youth of Quraish is saying that your Allah is saying that no one even Muhammad himself can foretell the future

How come you did not know that? Could it be because you had no clue that we kuffar read your sources and you really knew and were hoping that we do not know? but this will make you and you must pardon me a liar or you had no clue and this would make you and you must pardon me ignorant so which one is it our dear 7 Up liar or ignorant?

1. He prophecised the destruction of the Persians in the hands of the Byzantines (in the Quran)

Really? well we have established that he did not "prophecise" (sic) anything because your Allah says that he cannot tell the future so do you think that I should tell your wahhabi masters that you disagree with Allah? and do you also know that you are really saying that Muhammad must be the author of surat al-ruum after all he is the one who "prophecised" (sic) what was going to happen so is Muhammad the author of surat al-ruum? A yes or no will do

What a disaster our dear 7 Up is saying that the Qur'an and in this case surat al-ruum was composed by Muhammad and not Allah!

But I will give you a chance so let us read this little gem

1. الم

Oh can you tell the readers what these three letters mean? Hint: No one has a clue and why is that our dear 7 Up inspite the fact the the author of the Qur'an tells us that it is كتاب مبين so who is the liar here even your master Shiekh al-Azhar got into this disaster of الكلام العاطل and here is what he said http://elazhar.com/qadaiaux/5.asp

What a disater

2. غلبت الروم

But here is the disaster in this aya the above is the rasm of the aya and the ulama EDITED it (what a disaster the ulama edited the words of the Allah!) and it is now

غُلِبَتِ الرُّوْمُ

Or and the Ruum (read this as the Greeks) were defeated

But here are the problems with this aya: The words for the Greeks in Arabic are اليونانيون او الاغريق and for sure not الرُّوْمُ (oh and how come your Allah had no clue about what a shadda is all about?) so where does this word الرُّوْمُ come from? Let me help you it is a loan word from Syriac ܪܘܡܚܐ and it means the (Greek) soldiers (also lance or spear) in Syriac and what a disaster a Syriac word in the Qur'an a book that claims to be قران عربي so who is the liar here?

Foreign words in the Qur'an! I'm shocked!

3. في ادنى الارض

Or in the near earth but the Qur'an as usual never tells us what is this near earth and where is it located and the ulama has to guess

What a disaster

4. وهم من بعد غلبهم سيغلبون

And this is the rasm or Allah's words and the ulama hd to EDIT it as follows

وهم من بعد غَلَبِهِمْ سَيَغْلِبُنَ

Or and they after their defeat will defeat

Notice that I added the short vowels to the last two words

So here are the words in question

غَلَبِتِ الروم وهم من بعد غُلْبَهُمْ سَيُغْلَبُوْنَ

And my editing will read it as

The Greeks defeated and after the defeating they will be defeated

See? the meaning changed with a very slight change is short vowels

So let us see what this little gem is saying:

1. It mentioned the Greeks (by using a Syriac word to describe them) being either defeating in my version or being defeated in the version edited by the ulama

2. And this takes place in adna al-ard a place that no one has a clue about its location

3. Then the Greeks either defeated or were defeated and only Allahu A3lam

4. So where would we find any mention of الماجوس or even الارانييون or even اهل بلاد العجم so you tell me how come Allah is silent about the Persians if this verse was indeed about them as well as the Greeks?

5. Now let us examine the real history

A. The Persians invaded the Byzantine empire in 616CE

B. They were defeated by the Greeks starting in 622CE and the Persians were at last pushed out of Egypt in 628CE

C. But this is not the end of the story as the Greeks were defeated by the barbarian Arabs your masters starting in 633CE

So one can read the above that it very well could be saying that the Greeks defeated the unmentioned Persians and then they were defeated by the Arab barbarians

So it seems that if your so called prophet "prophecised" he did not even get it

What a disaster

2. He prophecised that after him,

But our dear 7 Up we are told not once but several times in the islamic tradition that ان الغيب لله or only Allah can foretell the future so who is the liar here? you tell me

30 years of rule will be in hands of the guided caliphates,

Really? then how come 3 of them were killed? and is it true as we are told by them Shi3a that Omar was a sodomite? So is that true?

then it will be oppressive rule and then tyrany - ever since the demise of the guided Caliphates, there rose the Umayyad empire which was oppressive to the people it was based in Damascus by the Umayyah family of Quraish (mecca) outside Hijaz and even just before Ali, Al-Hussain and many companions of the Prophet travelled and lived in Iraq (Kufah, Karbala) and Prophet Muhammad predicted that many of his companions would travel to live in Iraq,

Drivel

Sham Land (including Palestine) and to Yemen

ROTFL Pakistani Arabic it is Bilad al-Sham and you need to stick to Urdu

Really? so you tell us how come the Umayyads had their capital in Damascus and not Mecca and why did Abd al-Malik build the first monument in the religion of the Arabs only not in Mecca but in Jerusalem unless the Umayyads were local Arabs and they had nothing to do with al-Hijaz? you tell me

3. after the Umayyad rule there came the Abbasid, (related to the founder Abbas the cousin of Prophet Muhammad) and moved the capital to Baghdad to continue the expansion of Islam from there and to differ from the Umayyah leagacy.

Really? Well I'm also related to Abul Qasim aka Muhammad your so called PUBH! should you believe me? Now you tell me

1. Why did the Abbassids build their capital not in al-Hijaz but in Baghdad? what is wrong with al-Hijaz?

2. Why did they call it Baghdad or the garden of God and this is Persian and not Arabic you tell me? why did they not use the Arabic hadiqatu Allah or the garden of Allah instead of Baghdad you tell me? Hint: Because they were Persians and not Arabs

3. And why did they select that location for their capital? Let me help you because they wanted to be close to the capital of the sassanids their real people! Oh the capital of the sassanids? It was Cteisphon which is only 30 miles from Baghdad!

What a disaster the Abbassids were not even Arabs

during this time Abdul Rahman Al-Dakhel (who was an Umayyad prince from Mecca) went to andalusia and established the umayyad rule there. (most of andalusia caliphs were of Arab origins from Hijaz

Oh and speaking of Arabian imperialims and you forgot that Muslims also invaded India where you come from and killed and raped and enslaved 90M of your Hindu ancestors but do you relaly care?

4. All Abbasid caliphate are descendants of Meccan tribes of Arab origin

No they were not even Harun al-Rashid was more Persian than Arab as his father al-Mahdi was and he was born in Rey in Iran and his papa was a Barmaki (this clan was a Buddhist Iranian clan) and his mama al-Khayzuran we are told that she was a Yemeni slave or may be Iranian and oly Allahu A3lam and you tell us that they were Hijazi Arabs? how come you did not know that?

5. Egypt was conquered by Amr ibn Al-Ass during Omar bin Al-Khattab rule. his army consisted of pure Arab hijazi origins

Really? where is the EXTANT evidence? Let me help you it does not exist

you are twisting and making quite many lies for reasons known to every intellectual

The and you must pardon me the ignorant is you

Oh the Arabic! But you see our dear 7 Up the lost tablighee Islam is the religion of the arabs only and you ain't no Arab

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Title Commenter Date Thread
1Plenty to chew on [1211 words]David W. LincolnJun 10, 2013 11:24206872
10The hidden origin of Islam [552 words]dhimmi no moreJun 11, 2013 06:12206872
3Abbasid and Muslim Caliphate [257 words]seven upJun 13, 2013 12:12206872
9Our dear 7 Up and ignorance is bliss! [1690 words]dhimmi no moreJun 15, 2013 07:24206872
1Also, on the "hidden origins"... [122 words]JC VaughanJun 18, 2013 15:08206872
The hidden origin of Islam revisited [286 words]dhimmi no moreJun 19, 2013 07:09206872
1revisionist historians of Islam beware. [211 words]MozereJun 22, 2013 06:33206872
2the Truth - abbasid Caliphate [909 words]Gaurdian of DeenJun 22, 2013 14:55206872
3The looters join other looters this is a fact [727 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 07:09206872
2Teaching victims of Arabian imperialism one at a time part one [1170 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 07:59206872
2Our dear GoD is saying that Muhammad must be the author of Suart al-Ruum what a disaster [445 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 09:35206872
2Islam and racism and the victims of Arabian imperialism [256 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 10:43206872
3Adna means Nearest! And half knowledge is damn dangerous [1425 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 11:24206872
2Exposing lies and ignorance and this is what Ibn kathir says about Q30:3 and the word al -adna [190 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 11:35206872
4Άλωση της Κωνσταντινούπολης, and when the civilized join the barbarian [178 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 12:08206872
2Teaching Arabic to wannabe Arabs for the readers read and laugh [887 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 14:52206872
1More evidence from Kutub al-Turath that the word Adna means Nearer and not lowest! this time it is al-Qurtubi! [295 words]dhimmi no moreJun 24, 2013 14:08206872
Proof for all readers [56 words]Guardian of DeenJun 25, 2013 00:43206872
دنيء mean lowly [140 words]Guardian of DeenJun 25, 2013 00:57206872
Lowest point on Earth [122 words]Guardian of DeenJun 25, 2013 01:31206872
not a surprise at all [31 words]Guaridan of DeenJun 25, 2013 01:36206872
It only took 4 years [149 words]MozereJun 25, 2013 16:18206872
6The Quranic disaster of Surat al-Ruum! Again! [1971 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2013 07:30206872
Prophecies of Muhammad [315 words]Guardian of DeenJun 26, 2013 08:09206872
4Exposing lies: this time Quranic translations of the word al-adna! [593 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2013 13:13206872
2Teaching ignorant tablighees one at a time and this time the map of the last Persian/Greek war [89 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2013 13:27206872
2Teaching Arabic to wannabe arabs and the word Greek in Arabic and the word Ruum [638 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2013 13:49206872
1Tablighees are told if you have no answers then change the subject or الحيدة [155 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2013 06:33206872
Mongol and other tribal invasions and origins of Abrahamic religions [115 words]MozereJun 27, 2013 07:02206872
1More ignorance [699 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2013 07:09206872
1More lies and ignorance [147 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2013 07:51206872
2Our dear Guardian is quoting kuffar sources and he rejects Islamic sources! What a disaster [589 words]dhimmi no moreJun 28, 2013 06:39206872
2When confronted with fact - change the topic! [381 words]dhimmi no moreJun 28, 2013 07:02206872
and speaking of changing the subject [60 words]Guardian of DeenJun 29, 2013 09:03206872
1The civilized and the barbarian [217 words]dhimmi no moreJun 29, 2013 09:49206872
read the map one more time, [81 words]Guardian of DeenJun 29, 2013 09:54206872
you could not refute any prophecy [723 words]Guardian of DeenJul 3, 2013 02:31206872
2The flat Quranic earth! [391 words]dhimmi no moreJul 3, 2013 08:44206872
1And the ignorance goes on and on [371 words]dhimmi no moreJul 3, 2013 08:58206872
1Our dear GoD prays to Muhammad what a disaster [762 words]dhimmi no moreJul 4, 2013 12:51206872
1More tablighee twsists and turns [284 words]dhimmi no moreJul 5, 2013 06:56206872
2Allah tells Muhammad in the Qur'an that he cannot foretell the future! So do you disagree with Allah our dear Guardian? [97 words]dhimmi no moreJul 5, 2013 12:50206872
nice try [67 words]Guardian of DeenJul 5, 2013 16:45206872
1Exposing lies and fabrications and ignorance [176 words]dhimmi no moreJul 6, 2013 06:27206872
here are the verses of the unseen [107 words]Guardian of DeenJul 7, 2013 06:10206872
reply to your questions [152 words]Guardian of DeenJul 7, 2013 06:20206872
lazy ... [21 words]Guardian of DeenJul 9, 2013 03:34206872
1Teaching Arabic to wannabe Arabs [387 words]dhimmi no moreJul 9, 2013 16:31206872
Adna again! [175 words]dhimmi no moreJul 9, 2013 16:39206872
2More lies and exposing liars [882 words]dhimmi no moreJul 9, 2013 18:11206872
Getting confused? or struck dumb? [45 words]Guardian of DeenJul 11, 2013 02:59206872
here is another translation for the word low [55 words]Guardian of DeenJul 11, 2013 03:08206872
1Tablighee twists and turns [73 words]dhimmi no moreJul 11, 2013 06:23206872
More twists and turns [73 words]dhimmi no moreJul 12, 2013 05:52206872
2More tablighee ignorance [162 words]dhimmi no moreJul 12, 2013 07:20206872
Adna means low [71 words]forkNov 29, 2019 05:02206872
Our dear Fork needs to stick to Urdu! And Argument from "But al-Qurtubi was human and not infallible" [454 words]dhimmi no moreDec 1, 2019 08:02206872
al-Tabari defines the word Adna! More disasters for our dear Fork who needs to stick to Urdu! [185 words]dhimmi no moreDec 1, 2019 08:26206872
More disasters for our dear Fork and this time translations of the Qur'an [110 words]dhimmi no moreDec 1, 2019 08:39206872
Our dear Fork aka شوكة and argument from: Ask a Christian Arabic! Oh is this another ridiculous "Brother Christian Arabs call their God Allah"? [144 words]dhimmi no moreDec 1, 2019 11:38206872
Our dear Fork where is your evidence that "Adna means low"? I will be waiting [418 words]dhimmi no moreDec 2, 2019 06:54206872
Our dear Fork is not aware that al-Mufasereen have no clue what does the Qur'an say in Surat al-Ruum! [678 words]dhimmi no moreDec 3, 2019 12:28206872
Adna has two meanings like I said before [108 words]ForkDec 16, 2019 19:09206872
Adna has more than one meanings [101 words]ForkDec 16, 2019 20:11206872
Your comment shows you dont know what you are talking about. Proof in comment below. [87 words]ForkDec 16, 2019 20:26206872
1Dhimmi-no-more's repeated arguments with Islamists show that Islamic doctrine cannot be sustained [379 words]PrashantDec 17, 2019 23:09206872
Our dear Fork must be saying that Arabic speaking Mufasereen are a bunch of liars and he has the answer [393 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:04206872
Our dear Fork and the Qur'an says that the earth is flat! [351 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:24206872
Our dear Fork al-Tablighee is not aware that his link from elmaany dictionary tells us that Adna means NEAR! I wonder why? [1114 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:41206872
Every tablighee and his cousin and Arabic to English translations of the Islamic literary sources and it is a disaster [146 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:54206872
More questions for our dear Fork! [46 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:57206872
The Qur'an and modern Arabic! [270 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 13:04206872
Our dear Fork and teaching the Arabic language to wannabe Arabs and the word for today: دنيء [359 words]dhimmi no moreDec 27, 2019 05:46206872
Here is Tafsir al-Tabari of Q7:169 and the word al-Adna [202 words]dhimmi no moreDec 28, 2019 07:33206872
Our dear Fork: You need to stick to Urdu and stay away from "googletranslate" [56 words]dhimmi no moreDec 28, 2019 07:42206872
More disasters for our dear Fork is not aware that the Qur'an says: Allah did not send any miracles to Muhammad! [244 words]dhimmi no moreDec 30, 2019 11:18206872
More disasters for our dear Fork and this time from Tafsir al-Jalalyin and Q7:169 [249 words]dhimmi no moreJan 1, 2020 12:12206872
Book Review: "Corrections in Early Qur'an Manuscripts" [407 words]dhimmi no moreJan 7, 2020 11:30206872
4Jewish Prophets Words Bear Fact in the Coming Middle-East Wars [477 words]BrianJun 9, 2013 23:46206865
Go Brian Go! [8 words]FroikeJun 21, 2013 12:02206865
The Republic of Turkey [73 words]MozereJun 22, 2013 03:57206865
not quite true [124 words]Guardian of DeenJun 29, 2013 09:42206865

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