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Islamic invaders were not imperialists and western imperialists were not religious tyrants.

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Submitted by Prashant (India), Jan 2, 2018 at 05:56

Dear Dr Pipes,

Our resident Islamic apologist Mr Debanjan Banerjee asked if we should consider the Christian religion in remote parts of the World as a violent Western imperial legacy? Debanjan Banerjee has come up with some of the most bizarre ideas on your forum and deserves no serious reply but I will give him one any way.

By implying that Christianity is a form of western imperialistic legacy, Mr Banerjee is indirectly trying to exonerate Islamic invaders. I will, first, tell Mr Banerjee why Christianity is NOT imperialism. It is BETTER than imperialism. Then I will tell Mr Banerjee that Islamic invaders were not imperialists. They were WORSE.

So why is Christianity not a symbol of western imperialism? Western attackers have been waging wars with other civilizations since a time predating Christianity. Some of these wars had religious overtones and some had none. For example, while the Christian church might have taken advantage of western colonialism in Asia, Africa, and the Americas, the colonists were not necessarily representing Christianity. There is little evidence that the British viceroys in India, for example, were devout Christians and doled out government positions to Christian converts. Additionally, though it is well known that deception is a tool used by Christian missionaries, Christian missionaries have done a lot of humanitarian work as well. And the missionaries have not tried to directly rule the conquered lands.

Islam on the other hand has been a completely different ball game. The behavior of Islamic invaders was different from the behavior of both imperialists and missionaries. First, the association between Islamic invaders and their religion has been very strong. In every part of the world there have been instances of conversions to Islam assisted by the invaders' swords. Invaders who fought in the name of Islam are also known to have usurped or destroyed the religious places related to other religions. Second, unlike Christianity, the term 'Islamic Charity' when the beneficiary of the charity is a non-Muslim simply does not exist! Third, the old dictum 'one for all and all for one' is much admired by all of us but Muslims take this advice to a completely different level. If a Muslim is fighting a Jew anywhere in the world, every Muslim in every corner of the world will consider it an attack on himself. You can find Muslims in remote Indian villages who hate 'Yehudi' people. Every Muslim war is a world war! Fourth, franchising of violence where every individual can raise arms to 'defend' Islam any where and every where is unique only to Islam (just see the ISIS' call for lone wolf attacks).

If Islam was just Arabian Imperialism, it would have been a manageable problem. World has seen enough Islamic tyrants who were neither Arabs nor acted on guidance of Arabs (brutal Pakistani atrocities on the then East Pakistan come to mind). These tyrants were non-Arabic and independent franchisees of the original Arabic doctrine (that violence is acceptable to defend or advance the religion). Imperialists come, make empires, and go back when defeated. They do not permanently convert people.

So in summary for Mr Banerjee, Christianity is not Western Imperialism because they both acted independently of each other at many different times and places. And, Islam is not Arabian Imperialism because Islam as it is practiced now is neither Arabic nor imperialistic. This is because 1) Islam and invaders who acted on behalf of Islam worked hand in hand at many places and times in the world. and 2) Islamic invaders were not exactly Imperialists. They converted people permanently to a new doctrine.

I hope this long letter helps Mr Banerjee.


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1SUBJ1 [44 words]anonJan 11, 2018 09:05241827
1Paying Palestinians [154 words]Glenda UrmacherJan 9, 2018 21:21241815
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Christian population declines [38 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
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Dear Dr. Pipes [157 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
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Dear Dr. Pipes [52 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJan 2, 2018 22:11241657
Dear Dr. Pipes [85 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJan 2, 2018 22:59241657
2The most absurd claim by our dear Deb and he has a long history of absurd claims Right our dear Deb? [60 words]dhimmi no moreJan 3, 2018 08:06241657
1Our dear Deb and more gems! [74 words]dhimmi no moreJan 7, 2018 08:12241657
Happy new year dear DNM [26 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJan 7, 2018 12:02241657
Debanjan exposes the mastermind behind ISIS [220 words]JeffJan 7, 2018 20:54241657
Dear Jeff [101 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJan 15, 2018 08:42241657
1Our dear Deb: Mullah كمال الحيدري says that the Qur'an is a corrupted book! What a disaster [146 words]dhimmi no moreJan 15, 2018 14:24241657
3Dhimmi historians [31 words]SteinDec 21, 2017 22:50241645
Imperial Church [187 words]gato brancoDec 20, 2017 04:12241625
1I disagree with your statement about Spain in 1200 [285 words]gato brancoDec 20, 2017 02:47241623
2Big Mistake By Muslims [72 words]DavidDec 19, 2017 05:00241613
1Outside ME no better [69 words]VijayDec 18, 2017 10:23241594
1Christians and Jews, start saving up for the Jizya! [314 words]Michael SDec 12, 2017 10:47241547
1Comedy time! And how to punish the US for moving the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem! Read and laugh [55 words]dhimmi no moreDec 10, 2017 16:40241523
1The Arabization and Islamization of Egypt [335 words]dhimmi no moreDec 9, 2017 08:47241503
1Were the early 20th century Turks the only nasty Muslims? [97 words]KephaDec 15, 2017 20:07241503
7Entire conflict explained in less than 20 lines [203 words]G MarcusDec 19, 2017 00:57241503
Arabs, Copts and Goths [266 words]gato brancoDec 20, 2017 02:01241503
3Arabian imperialism [86 words]dhimmi no moreDec 21, 2017 07:23241503
3Islam came to the world at the right time (for them) [451 words]PrashantDec 22, 2017 13:16241503
1The 4th option is neither mentioned nor considered [270 words]PrashantDec 25, 2017 03:23241503
1Arabian Monotheism Muhammadan's style And what happens when the barbarian invade the lands of the civilized [986 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2017 16:56241503
1Islamization but no Arabization: Iran and historical discontinuity v historical continuity [567 words]dhimmi no moreDec 27, 2017 09:12241503
1Are some languages superior to others? Greek Egyptian language and Arabic in Egypt post 642CE [597 words]dhimmi no moreDec 28, 2017 08:30241503
SO what about the West [37 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJan 1, 2018 01:22241503
1Islamic invaders were not imperialists and western imperialists were not religious tyrants. [607 words]PrashantJan 2, 2018 05:56241503
2Our dear Deb and wearing black shoes! What a disaster! [307 words]dhimmi no moreJan 2, 2018 09:47241503
Persians [150 words]gato brancoJan 2, 2018 11:57241503
1A few questions for our dear Deb whose Hindu ancestors were brutalized by the Muslim invaders of India [290 words]dhimmi no moreJan 2, 2018 12:14241503
2Hey our dear Deb: The Qur'an says that Paul is the prophet of Allah! What a disaster! [77 words]dhimmi no moreJan 3, 2018 08:14241503
1Persian and Egyptian languages: Scripts v spoken languages [474 words]dhimmi no moreJan 7, 2018 09:09241503
1Hey our dear Deb I have another question: Is it true that Allah converted to Islam in Q3:18? What a disaster! [107 words]dhimmi no moreJan 7, 2018 12:11241503
Christianity is still a Western imperial legacy [116 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJan 8, 2018 22:26241503
Once more Persians and Copts [219 words]gato brancoJan 15, 2018 01:57241503
1Egypt and Iran v Arab invasion and Islamization and Arabization [866 words]dhimmi no moreJan 15, 2018 08:48241503
Our dear Deb and Arabian imperialism and the Shi'a tell us that the Qur'an is a corrupted book! [438 words]dhimmi no moreJan 15, 2018 10:01241503
1Thanks for the article 'Dhimmis No More' [601 words]PrashantDec 8, 2017 11:29241498
There are differences [50 words]bernardDec 18, 2017 19:28241498
1So... [13 words]AlexDec 7, 2017 21:00241490
Let's Win the War of Ideas [212 words]DaveDec 7, 2017 18:12241489

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