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Submitted by Prashant, Dec 8, 2017 at 11:29

Dear Dr Pipes,

I am happy and thankful that you used the term 'ethnic cleansing' in reference to the declining population of Christians in the Middle East. A problem can be addressed at its smallest and most specific context or at its widest and most general context. Ethnic cleansing of Christians in the Middle East is neither limited to the Christians nor to the Middle East. As you correctly pointed out Hindus in the Indian subcontinent, Christians in Nigeria and Indonesia, and Jews in all Islamic countries have been the victims of faulted and wrong Islamic doctrines. Yezidis as recently as within the last five years suffered violent elimination at the hand of ISIS in Syria. Turkey for all its modern outlook of the last century is still over 99% Islamic. When a minority gets killed or exiled from a Muslim country, we hardly hear any talk of protest and objection in the Islamic societies all around the world. For example, no Muslim organization, to my knowledge, spoke on behalf of the Yezidis in any significant way. It can be safely assumed that Islamic societies are not interested in the issues of human rights and democracy if they lead to defending non-Muslim minorities.

How far we have to go to find the cause of mistreatment of minorities in the Islamic societies throughout history including today? I think the Quranic injunction that allows Muslims to rule nations and treat non-Muslims as subjugated people is wrong; it does not matter whether it came from God or was man made. How should dhimmis be treated or are treated or were treated is a wrong questions to ask. The very fact that Quran or other Islamic scriptures mention the word dhimmi, is objectionable. Unless these references are removed or made ineffective, Islam will remain a thing that needs to be fixed, modified and improved.

Read chapter 9 of the Quran. There is enough in that chapter using which a tyrant can justify his atrocities on his non-Muslim enemies. Chapter 9 should not be judged by its best possible interpretation. It should be judged by its worst possible interpretation because a tyrant is more likely to use the worst possible interpretation. For this reason Chapter 9 should be bracketed and set aside.

How should non-Muslim world react to all this? All religious scriptures --Islamic or otherwise-- contain material that modern people will find objectionable. It is not possible to remove all those passages without violating the integrity of the original text. As log as we are allowed to question those texts, there is no need to remove or erase them. Non-Muslims should not demand that Quran be edited.

Non-Muslims need to demand something else. This is a matter of practice and not principle so it can be implemented. There is no justification that Islamic lands do not follow the principle of separation of church and state. Even if a country is 100% Islamic, it should be a pluralistic, secular, constitutional democracy unless it is willing to completely and permanently isolate it with the rest of the world. If I choose to visit this country, I should not be a dhimmi ruled/welcomed or unwelcomed by Muslims. I should be a person welcomed or unwelcomed by another set of people. That is it. So it obligatory for the non-Muslim world to treat Islamic theocracies as inferior and pressurize them to adopt secular democracy and separation of church and state. There should be no two opinions about it. If we do not do so, we will be tacitly approving the Islamic doctrines that lead to our own ethnic cleansing.


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1SUBJ1 [44 words]anonJan 11, 2018 09:05241827
1Paying Palestinians [154 words]Glenda UrmacherJan 9, 2018 21:21241815
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w/response from Daniel Pipes
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Dear Dr. Pipes [52 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJan 2, 2018 22:11241657
Dear Dr. Pipes [85 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJan 2, 2018 22:59241657
2The most absurd claim by our dear Deb and he has a long history of absurd claims Right our dear Deb? [60 words]dhimmi no moreJan 3, 2018 08:06241657
1Our dear Deb and more gems! [74 words]dhimmi no moreJan 7, 2018 08:12241657
Happy new year dear DNM [26 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJan 7, 2018 12:02241657
Debanjan exposes the mastermind behind ISIS [220 words]JeffJan 7, 2018 20:54241657
Dear Jeff [101 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJan 15, 2018 08:42241657
1Our dear Deb: Mullah كمال الحيدري says that the Qur'an is a corrupted book! What a disaster [146 words]dhimmi no moreJan 15, 2018 14:24241657
3Dhimmi historians [31 words]SteinDec 21, 2017 22:50241645
Imperial Church [187 words]gato brancoDec 20, 2017 04:12241625
1I disagree with your statement about Spain in 1200 [285 words]gato brancoDec 20, 2017 02:47241623
2Big Mistake By Muslims [72 words]DavidDec 19, 2017 05:00241613
1Outside ME no better [69 words]VijayDec 18, 2017 10:23241594
1Christians and Jews, start saving up for the Jizya! [314 words]Michael SDec 12, 2017 10:47241547
1Comedy time! And how to punish the US for moving the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem! Read and laugh [55 words]dhimmi no moreDec 10, 2017 16:40241523
1The Arabization and Islamization of Egypt [335 words]dhimmi no moreDec 9, 2017 08:47241503
1Were the early 20th century Turks the only nasty Muslims? [97 words]KephaDec 15, 2017 20:07241503
7Entire conflict explained in less than 20 lines [203 words]G MarcusDec 19, 2017 00:57241503
Arabs, Copts and Goths [266 words]gato brancoDec 20, 2017 02:01241503
3Arabian imperialism [86 words]dhimmi no moreDec 21, 2017 07:23241503
3Islam came to the world at the right time (for them) [451 words]PrashantDec 22, 2017 13:16241503
1The 4th option is neither mentioned nor considered [270 words]PrashantDec 25, 2017 03:23241503
1Arabian Monotheism Muhammadan's style And what happens when the barbarian invade the lands of the civilized [986 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2017 16:56241503
1Islamization but no Arabization: Iran and historical discontinuity v historical continuity [567 words]dhimmi no moreDec 27, 2017 09:12241503
1Are some languages superior to others? Greek Egyptian language and Arabic in Egypt post 642CE [597 words]dhimmi no moreDec 28, 2017 08:30241503
SO what about the West [37 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJan 1, 2018 01:22241503
1Islamic invaders were not imperialists and western imperialists were not religious tyrants. [607 words]PrashantJan 2, 2018 05:56241503
2Our dear Deb and wearing black shoes! What a disaster! [307 words]dhimmi no moreJan 2, 2018 09:47241503
Persians [150 words]gato brancoJan 2, 2018 11:57241503
1A few questions for our dear Deb whose Hindu ancestors were brutalized by the Muslim invaders of India [290 words]dhimmi no moreJan 2, 2018 12:14241503
2Hey our dear Deb: The Qur'an says that Paul is the prophet of Allah! What a disaster! [77 words]dhimmi no moreJan 3, 2018 08:14241503
1Persian and Egyptian languages: Scripts v spoken languages [474 words]dhimmi no moreJan 7, 2018 09:09241503
1Hey our dear Deb I have another question: Is it true that Allah converted to Islam in Q3:18? What a disaster! [107 words]dhimmi no moreJan 7, 2018 12:11241503
Christianity is still a Western imperial legacy [116 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJan 8, 2018 22:26241503
Once more Persians and Copts [219 words]gato brancoJan 15, 2018 01:57241503
1Egypt and Iran v Arab invasion and Islamization and Arabization [866 words]dhimmi no moreJan 15, 2018 08:48241503
Our dear Deb and Arabian imperialism and the Shi'a tell us that the Qur'an is a corrupted book! [438 words]dhimmi no moreJan 15, 2018 10:01241503
1Thanks for the article 'Dhimmis No More' [601 words]PrashantDec 8, 2017 11:29241498
There are differences [50 words]bernardDec 18, 2017 19:28241498
1So... [13 words]AlexDec 7, 2017 21:00241490
Let's Win the War of Ideas [212 words]DaveDec 7, 2017 18:12241489

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