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Reader comment on item: A Madrassah in Bridgeview, Illinois

Submitted by Linas Kondratas (Lithuania), Jun 21, 2005 at 07:21

Dear Daniel Pipes,

I have read some of your comment on Islamic schools and my impression was the the most problematic thing with them is not so much their actual contents, but the mindset which informs all this contents - the belief in the absolute good and the absolute evil as the exclusive opposites. Such mentality can only lead to a position when on'es own camp is seen as the incarnation of the Good, while all other(eg. Jews, Christians etc.) are seen as the incarnation of the Evil, absolute Evil unmitigated by any particle of the Good. Such mindset can only lead to violence sooner or later.

Islam, however, being the strictest monoteism, cannot accept a belief in the absolute evil. If everything is created and supervised by God up to the pettiest particles, so there cannot be something absolutely evil at all! Everything is inherently good-in-itself, however some things can more useful to us while another are more harmful, yet all this harm and profit is relative and depends on circumstances and on who enters into contact with those things. If some things were prohibited and other ordered by Allah, it is not because of inherent evilness-in-itself or goodness-in-itself of these things, but because of the Divine imposition. If Allah prohibited something we should not think that this thing is evil-in-itself; He could prohibit it simply to test us and offer us possibility to show our obedience, or because He knew that this bring us more harm than benefit, in this world and in other; but we should abstain of making our ideas of what is harmful and beneficial to us as being the criteria of absolute good or absolute evil.

So I think until Muslims resident in USA will not realize that what I have said here above they will continue with their morality of ressentful slaves and losers, capable only staging a destructive rebellion against their "masters", but unable to produce something productive and creative.

To know this would be useful to Americans as well, not only for Muslims in America, because there are so many American people who believed and believe in the absolute dichotomy of good and evil, even presidents as Reagan and Bush who spoke about the "empire of Evil" and the "axis of evil". Americans should think that some muslims maybe harmful to them but this does not make them evil;they just happen to be harmful to them, but maybe they are beneficial to some other people. While Muslims should think that some Jews maybe are harmful to them but this does not make them evil;they just happen to be harmful to them, but maybe they are beneficial to some other people. An those who speak about other people as "apes and pigs" should not forget that even apes and pigs are creatures of God and as such not bad or unclean in themselves.

In the American society the problems generated by the belief of good-evil dichotomy are mitigated by profound and strong sense of pragmatism charcteristic for the anglo-saxon society; but the situation is very different in islamic communities of North America, very such beliefs induced both by Saudi and/or Iranian influence and by the local milieu have no counterweight. Yet Islam has a long tradition of the pragmatic thinking as well only that Muslims are unaware of all that.

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Protect the modern civilization [127 words]Syd K. ChavezJun 19, 2008 08:44
Comments to Syd K. Chavez about protecting modern civilization [280 words]Harden ErvinDec 4, 2008 10:29
oh the ignorance of it all...
[w/response] [45 words]
Muhammed AbdullaApr 14, 2008 23:38
i wasnt quoting [23 words]Muhammed AbdullaApr 16, 2008 14:07
Hmmmm [35 words]Ahmad OsmanFeb 9, 2008 21:16
Peace Everyone [299 words]Leena SuleimanNov 25, 2007 02:15
Islam is the perfect peaceful rule [172 words]EmadSep 4, 2007 13:16
this is crazy! [192 words]muslimahAug 8, 2007 15:58
Islam -Religion of Violence [42 words]Naweed AnwarAug 29, 2007 18:35
West, wake up! [564 words]Lawrence Tanbir AhmedJul 28, 2008 09:12
Hypocrisy blind. [109 words]drewDec 30, 2008 10:34
even worse [41 words]mosoudAug 2, 2009 21:00
hypocrites in islam [53 words]drewAug 12, 2009 06:07
Asleep at the wheel: [234 words]danSep 12, 2006 15:58
check your sources [38 words]Muhammed AbdullaApr 14, 2008 23:41
What happens at the MCWS (Muslim Community of Western Suburbs) is far worse the relatively trivial things at this Madrassah [52 words]AviDec 3, 2005 13:57
What a joke - [65 words]TruthSeekerFeb 2, 2007 19:48
large groups of foreigners [371 words]TAPOct 7, 2005 00:25
Bad Apples [446 words]Adam BenitezSep 28, 2005 13:26
"Bad Apples"...? [102 words]Tom ZimaFeb 20, 2006 18:38
responce to tom [20 words]jasonJul 6, 2006 21:09
As Usual! [25 words]harithAug 24, 2007 15:52
religion or a political movement [60 words]tom kSep 15, 2005 19:15
Muslims Rejoicing New Orleans Katrina Devastation [44 words]D. MartSep 1, 2005 19:51
Funding by Saudi's [101 words]Ron NordAug 23, 2005 14:44
Muslims Positive Contribution to our American Society [167 words]Hasse LuAug 2, 2005 12:25
Western Muslim Schools [31 words]LanceJul 7, 2005 11:51
Where are the ethical and good people in Bridgeview, IL? [36 words]GreyGhostJun 26, 2005 15:53
Response to "proud to be infidel" [151 words]X5DragonJun 26, 2005 02:20
"Fundamentalist Immigrants" a contradiction in terms? [29 words]Victor StoneJun 25, 2005 19:05
Response to comment by Lynn Pollack [128 words]Alexa P. KeatonJun 24, 2005 07:45
Israel is here to stay [61 words]Im OgmiosJan 12, 2009 07:57
The real racists [209 words]Octavio JohansonJun 23, 2005 05:58
Our Man in the Trenches [212 words]Dave M. O'NeillJun 23, 2005 02:42
Why Stop? Response to Lynn [64 words]Proud to be an InfidelJun 22, 2005 23:29
Very good analysis, Dr. Pipes [105 words]Nelson HortonJun 22, 2005 21:56
SURPRISE ! [76 words]Angelo GuidaJun 22, 2005 20:55
Madrassas need to be closed or not allowed to open [271 words]David DavilaJun 21, 2005 21:53
place of worship [8 words]muslimJan 18, 2007 20:34
wow [115 words]LeenaNov 25, 2007 02:26
Standard Left Wing MSM analysis [142 words]Darwin BarrettJun 21, 2005 21:49
A few thoughts on Ms. Pollack's remarks [135 words]Marge Foran-JohnsonJun 21, 2005 18:37
Universal School- serious clash of cultures [240 words]A. FestineJun 21, 2005 15:45
Reply to article [171 words]Yousif ZegarDec 20, 2006 20:21
Outrageous
[w/response] [218 words]
Zaineb AbdullaJul 3, 2007 14:42
Judging the judges [400 words]Lee StewartJun 21, 2005 14:26
Distorted View of Sexuality - response to Yaakov Watkins [150 words]Ruthanna KJun 21, 2005 12:36
Daniel Pipes sees the realities of Islamists we want to ignore [106 words]Don GistJun 21, 2005 12:27
Control Muslim immigration [145 words]Octavio JohansonJun 21, 2005 10:13
The naming of names [75 words]SRDec 25, 2006 14:00
Protect the Modern Civilization [28 words]Mubarak LyallpuriJun 23, 2008 09:11
Amazing Journalism [224 words]Paul Streur, Sr.Jun 21, 2005 09:20
⇒ Good and Evil [558 words]Linas KondratasJun 21, 2005 07:21
Shut down the Madrassah in Bridgeview, Illinois [156 words]Octavio JohansonJun 21, 2005 01:58
Check 'em All [102 words]Funk Soul BruhvaJun 20, 2005 21:59
Nothing wrong with rejecting immorality [226 words]Long-time ReaderJun 20, 2005 21:29
difference between Canadian/US policy towards Muslims [319 words]Terry SenumJun 20, 2005 21:02
Islamic Fundamentalism's Ideological Spread [485 words]yonasonJun 20, 2005 18:44
WAKE UP AMERICA [262 words]JACQUES HADIDAJun 20, 2005 18:16
American madrassah [129 words]Stan BeerJun 20, 2005 17:48
American Madrassahs [316 words]PatJun 20, 2005 15:57
Forgive me if I may come off a bit rude. I don't mean too. [240 words]HMJan 27, 2008 23:10
What we want Muslims to do in America [366 words]Ron KilmartinJun 20, 2005 14:15
Oh, how ridiculous. [175 words]Samantha ThompsonJan 29, 2007 23:23
excuse me [227 words]HMJan 29, 2008 17:33
Protecting our United States [102 words]Kathy O'LearyJun 20, 2005 14:13
Interview at Madrassa in Bridgeview, Illinois [106 words]Gert AzarvaJun 20, 2005 14:05
madrassah [35 words]MWJun 20, 2005 13:45
Between Scylla and Charybdis [120 words]Mark HolahanJun 20, 2005 13:12
A Madrassah in Bridgeview, Illinois [309 words]OlieJun 20, 2005 12:34
Excuse Me... [183 words]AnonymousMar 20, 2006 23:19
Why stop at Muslims? [42 words]Lynn PollackJun 20, 2005 12:23
Where is the anger? [21 words]tonymixanJun 20, 2005 11:03
You are somewhat off base [144 words]Yaakov WatkinsJun 20, 2005 09:11
Muslum perception of our attitude toward them in the USA. [67 words]Harden ERvinJun 20, 2005 09:09
? [46 words]jasonJun 30, 2006 05:18
waste [15 words]docAug 3, 2006 10:38

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