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ZERO historical connection between the Phillistines and 'Palestine'

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Submitted by sara (United States), Dec 4, 2012 at 21:15

Dear Slahhy,

You show your ignorance since your information is derived from extremely biased sources and completely ignores historical, globally recognized facts.

The FACT is that the Phillistines were a biblical people first mentioned in the Jewish Torah in the book of Genesis, They were connected to the Cannanites and were pagans, most certainly not Muslim since they were known for their great drinking bouts... They were mortal enemies of the Jewish people. The use of the term 'Phillistine' exists in the English language to describe someone who is barbaric or oafish.

The Romans, when they destroyed the second Jewish Temple of Jerusalem, and after the Masada revolt against them, banished Jews from Israel and Judah and renamed the area 'Palestina' as a direct insult to the Jews' knowing how much they hated them. There is ZERO connection between the old Phillistines and the 'Palestinians'. ZERO, Nada, Try getting some real historical info instead of your Islamist fantasy talking points.

And your hilarious statement that 'Moses was not a Jew' is too ludicrous to address. How funny. So he was a Muslim, was he? And how interesting that Moses was a Muslim before Islam even existed- quite a feat!

"In the 2nd century CE, the last attempt of the Jews to achieve independence from the Roman Empire ended with the well-known event of Masada, which is historically documented and universally recognized as the fact that determined the Jewish Diaspora in a definitive way.

The land where these things happened was the province known as Judea, and there is no mention of any place called "Palestine" before that time.

The Roman emperor Hadrian was utterly upset with the Jewish Nation and wanted to erase the name of Israel and Judah from the face of the Earth, so that there would be no memory of the country that belonged to that rebel people. He decided to replace the denomination of that Roman province and resorted to ancient history in order to find a name that might appear appropriate, and found that an extinct people that was unknown in Roman times, called "Philistines," was once dwelling in that area and were enemies of the Israelites.

Therefore, according to Latin spelling, he invented the new name: "Palestina," a name that would be also hateful for the Jews as it reminded them their old foes. He did so with the explicit purpose of effacing any trace of Jewish history". http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early.php

The Philistines /ˈfɪlɨstnz/, /ˈfɪlɨstnz/, /fɨˈlɪstɨnz/, or /fɨˈlɪstnz/;[1] Hebrew: פְּלִשְׁתִּים, Plištim), Pleshet or Peleset, were a people who as part of the Sea Peoples appeared in the southern coastal area of Canaan at the beginning of the Iron Age (circa 1175 BC), most probably from the Aegean region. According to the Bible, they ruled the five city-states (the "Philistine Pentapolis") of Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gath, from Wadi Gaza in the south to the Yarqon River in the north, but with no fixed border to the east.[2] The Bible paints them as the Kingdom of Israel's most dangerous enemy.[2] Originating somewhere in the Aegean,[3] their population was around 25,000 in the 12th century BC, rising to a peak of 30,000 in the 11th century BC

The etymology of the word into English is from Old French Philistin, from Classical Latin Philistinus found in the writings of Josephus, from Late Greek Philistinoi (Phylistiim in the Septuagint) found in the writings by Philo, from Hebrew Plištim, (e.g. 1 Samuel 17:36; 2 Samuel 1:20; Judges 14:3; Amos 1:8), "people of Plešt" ("Philistia"); cf. Akkadian Palastu, Egyptian Parusata.

Biblical scholars often trace the word to the Semitic root p-l-š (Hebrew: פלש‎) which means "to divide", "go through", "to roll in", "cover", or "invade".[6] The name of the Philistines in their own language is not known; however, the Bible also relates them as the people of "Kaftor" (Hebrew: כפתור‎, i.e. Jeremiah 47, Verse 4). "Kaftor" is not of Hebrew or Semitic origin, which supports the possibility that this word is similar to the name they called themselves.

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1to whom who is interest in the meaning of Gaza in Arabic [77 words]slayhyDec 11, 2012 22:11201361
3Plagiarism? And the word Gaza does not mean neither sting or puncture and you are either ignorant or a liar [332 words]dhimmi no moreDec 15, 2012 11:10201361
2The word Gaza is not an Arabic word and this is what we are told in Arabic dictionaries [185 words]dhimmi no moreDec 15, 2012 11:27201361
3Teaching Arabic to wannabe Arabs and the word gaza again! [325 words]dhimmi no moreDec 15, 2012 15:19201361
3Gaza and argument from slang! And more Komidyya Islamiyya [220 words]dhimmi no moreDec 15, 2012 15:28201361
exhaust yourself [38 words]slayhyDec 15, 2012 21:42201361
7The meaning of the word Ghaza from Arabic/Arabic dictionaries [538 words]dhimmi no moreDec 16, 2012 07:59201361
3Our dear slayhy is running away! I'm shocked [234 words]dhimmi no moreDec 17, 2012 06:19201361
3Vendu! [137 words]dhimmi no moreDec 17, 2012 18:57201361
2Failure to understand language [79 words]DougJan 22, 2013 17:09201361
Merci [1 words]Zerty ZertyJul 16, 2014 18:53201361
2A Sting that will keep stinging [151 words]slayhyDec 2, 2012 19:32201111
5Both historical And Biblical Revisionism and self aggrandizement [1725 words]saraDec 3, 2012 20:19201111
Only when the Jews return to their land will the land bring forth its bounty. [222 words]Makr al KidyaDec 3, 2012 21:02201111
3a bit of history [307 words]slayhyDec 3, 2012 22:20201111
4a pin prick [56 words]Irvin ShiffmanDec 4, 2012 00:47201111
God's will shall prevail [63 words]slayhyDec 4, 2012 21:04201111
5ZERO historical connection between the Phillistines and 'Palestine' [667 words]saraDec 4, 2012 21:15201111
more history of the Jews [193 words]slayhyDec 4, 2012 21:46201111
Zero connection between the Philistines and 'Palestine' [23 words]HiberniaDec 5, 2012 15:36201111
2Say what? Moses was pre-Judaic? [311 words]saraDec 5, 2012 17:38201111
1Hibernia, Phillistines origins [98 words]saraDec 5, 2012 17:42201111
The right to have freedom from occupation force [155 words]slayhyDec 5, 2012 18:37201111
you made a mistake [33 words]slayhyDec 5, 2012 19:00201111
a challenge is a challenge [564 words]slayhyDec 5, 2012 20:14201111
The father of Mary [79 words]slayhyDec 5, 2012 20:23201111
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Facts for you [105 words]slayhyDec 5, 2012 20:54201111
1God's will has prevailed [58 words]Irvin ShiffmanDec 6, 2012 04:06201111
5Sorry Slayhy, History trumps your biased 'data' [285 words]saraDec 6, 2012 16:36201111
4Challenge Failed [124 words]saraDec 6, 2012 16:49201111
look farther than your nose [22 words]slayhyDec 6, 2012 17:52201111
ran out of fuel [38 words]slayhyDec 6, 2012 17:55201111
backward is awkward [60 words]slayhyDec 6, 2012 18:00201111
3a bit of facts for you [125 words]slayhyDec 6, 2012 21:44201111
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8The amazing Muslim mind [399 words]dhimmi no moreDec 9, 2012 13:25201111
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4Atrocious Arabic by wannabe Arabs [87 words]dhimmi no moreDec 9, 2012 14:19201111
A lecture for free [115 words]slayhyDec 9, 2012 18:35201111
just pour rire [17 words]slayhyDec 9, 2012 19:07201111
I ADMIT [39 words]slayhyDec 9, 2012 19:11201111
4our dear slayhy al-tablighee your masters the Arabs do not call Europeans: The Romans! Your claim is bogus [491 words]dhimmi no moreDec 10, 2012 07:08201111
people's [29 words]DEBORAH THE JUDGEDec 10, 2012 08:51201111
3Our dear slayhy admits! And as if we kuffar did not know [286 words]dhimmi no moreDec 11, 2012 07:31201111
Dhimmi the wanabe arabic fluent speaker [34 words]IssamDec 11, 2012 10:25201111
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The name Gaza is inaccurate anyway [284 words]saraDec 11, 2012 20:51201111
3The word Gaza does not mean Sting! [430 words]dhimmi no moreDec 12, 2012 08:17201111
5Issam the wannabe Arab and teaching Arabic and Arabic vocalization and transliteration to wannabe Arabs [428 words]dhimmi no moreDec 12, 2012 09:04201111
3Teaching Arabic to wannabe Hijazi Arabs [160 words]dhimmi no moreDec 12, 2012 09:28201111
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3Our dear Hava and his avatar Issam read and laugh [255 words]dhimmi no moreDec 12, 2012 09:58201111
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