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Submitted by Alexandros (United Kingdom), Jun 22, 2012 at 04:34

First of all i agree with the general principles of your opinion. Israel though can not be characterised as a typical Middle Eastern country since the majority of the people who established this country grew up in America or Europe and for this reason knew how the Western type of Democracy works, they also organised their state with respect to religion but not with having religion as it's base or a it's legal base and this is the most important thing when you organise a state even a non-democratic one. Religion should establish the moral margins, but law is another issue, so in my opinion there can not be a democratic state based neither on shari'a nor in any other religious law, there can not be discounts in democracy, there can not be a bit of democracy, it is either democracy or not.

The Gulen movement is just an example, but do not underestimate it's influence.

There are four major Islamic countries in the region, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The last one was stable with Mubarak and even though this was a regime and a regime has always a lot of bad faces, it could guarantee stability and the respect of the religious minorities and even though i am not the biggest fun of religion i can not say the same for the vast majority of the people and especially in that corner of the world, so when we are talking about a Christian minority in Egypt we are or at least we were talking for around 10 million people, in fact the Christian populations in the middle east were the 20% just 5 years ago and now only 5% has remained in their homes or maybe they are scared to admit such a thing any more. I do not know what the regimes had in mind and who made angry, but i can not believe that NATO remembered to intervene because the regimes did not respect the human rights.

Well NATO intervened in every country, either officially or unofficially and still intervenes in Syria, as Russia does, but if Assad won't fall then they have thrown a friendly to the west country to the hands of Iran and for what, is the main reason the Russian base in Tartus, was that such a big threat to the USA, is it because of the Gas and oil that is found in the East Mediterranean and the US is afraid that not a lot of American companies are going to take their contracts, because of the Russians?

Whatever it is, let us see what the US has managed to do, they have strengthened all three Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, because they destroyed all other countries, Egypt, which is a massive country, is going to have very soon, a fanatic islamic government, i can not even dare to say democratic, controlled by Turkey, if Syria is going to acquire a new government this one is going to be an Islamic one as well, because the opposition is just fanatic Islamic and i honestly doubt if it expresses the majority of the Syrians even marginally, even though they have a Kurd as a leader, i have to inform you that nobody knows him and he does not express any part of the Kurdish minority in Syria. It is very possible that Iran is going to gain a big influence in IRAQ, whatever it happens is Syria, because of religion reasons and Saudi Arabia with the Emirates and Yemen, will create another block, maybe Jordan will feel comfortable in this block as well, all the monarchies will come together and they will try to buy out their reign as they have already started doing, by multibillion weapon contracts, i think Saudi Arabia announced just this year some thirty billion agreements, just with Boeing.

Now put these on a map and take under consideration that the Aegean and the east Mediterranean is full of Gas and Oil, what are you going to have in the very near future is Turkey, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Libya having all Islamic governments, all owing their existence to Turkey, all of them fighting for an independent Palestine state with an Islamic government as well and all of them declaring a common EEZ. You also have Israel, Greece and Cyprus, Cyprus separated and half Occupied by Turkey and America having shown any kind of interest to that absolutely unacceptable fact of the occupation, condemned by the UN since 1973, nobody was sensitive for Cyprus as they used to be in other similar situations, Kuwait let's say. So the American policy will have managed to surround Israel and Cyprus with hostile governments controlled by Turkey and will have managed to surround Greece as well, because the same politics is followed in the Balkan area as well supporting friendly to Ankara governments, with the difference that the Balkan countries are not that strong from a military aspect yet and there is also Bulgaria that can keep a balance.

And the question is why, why is it of American interest to strengthen Turkey so much, why do they want to make some of their allies get along with the Turkish regime, because it is not a democracy it is a bloody regime, without any respect to any minority, without any respect to the 25 million Kurds living in the country, without any respect to anyone, you can smell their arrogance. Do they believe they are going to stay loyal to the US especially if they acquire so much influence? Why would the Americans support so much a country that has absolutely illegal territorial claims towards allied with America countries? What does America think about the Turkish Collaboration with China and Russia for building nuclear plants? What are they going to do when Turkey and Saudi Arabia ask for nuclear because of Iran?

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