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Submitted by Alexandros (United Kingdom), Jun 22, 2012 at 04:34

First of all i agree with the general principles of your opinion. Israel though can not be characterised as a typical Middle Eastern country since the majority of the people who established this country grew up in America or Europe and for this reason knew how the Western type of Democracy works, they also organised their state with respect to religion but not with having religion as it's base or a it's legal base and this is the most important thing when you organise a state even a non-democratic one. Religion should establish the moral margins, but law is another issue, so in my opinion there can not be a democratic state based neither on shari'a nor in any other religious law, there can not be discounts in democracy, there can not be a bit of democracy, it is either democracy or not.

The Gulen movement is just an example, but do not underestimate it's influence.

There are four major Islamic countries in the region, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The last one was stable with Mubarak and even though this was a regime and a regime has always a lot of bad faces, it could guarantee stability and the respect of the religious minorities and even though i am not the biggest fun of religion i can not say the same for the vast majority of the people and especially in that corner of the world, so when we are talking about a Christian minority in Egypt we are or at least we were talking for around 10 million people, in fact the Christian populations in the middle east were the 20% just 5 years ago and now only 5% has remained in their homes or maybe they are scared to admit such a thing any more. I do not know what the regimes had in mind and who made angry, but i can not believe that NATO remembered to intervene because the regimes did not respect the human rights.

Well NATO intervened in every country, either officially or unofficially and still intervenes in Syria, as Russia does, but if Assad won't fall then they have thrown a friendly to the west country to the hands of Iran and for what, is the main reason the Russian base in Tartus, was that such a big threat to the USA, is it because of the Gas and oil that is found in the East Mediterranean and the US is afraid that not a lot of American companies are going to take their contracts, because of the Russians?

Whatever it is, let us see what the US has managed to do, they have strengthened all three Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, because they destroyed all other countries, Egypt, which is a massive country, is going to have very soon, a fanatic islamic government, i can not even dare to say democratic, controlled by Turkey, if Syria is going to acquire a new government this one is going to be an Islamic one as well, because the opposition is just fanatic Islamic and i honestly doubt if it expresses the majority of the Syrians even marginally, even though they have a Kurd as a leader, i have to inform you that nobody knows him and he does not express any part of the Kurdish minority in Syria. It is very possible that Iran is going to gain a big influence in IRAQ, whatever it happens is Syria, because of religion reasons and Saudi Arabia with the Emirates and Yemen, will create another block, maybe Jordan will feel comfortable in this block as well, all the monarchies will come together and they will try to buy out their reign as they have already started doing, by multibillion weapon contracts, i think Saudi Arabia announced just this year some thirty billion agreements, just with Boeing.

Now put these on a map and take under consideration that the Aegean and the east Mediterranean is full of Gas and Oil, what are you going to have in the very near future is Turkey, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Libya having all Islamic governments, all owing their existence to Turkey, all of them fighting for an independent Palestine state with an Islamic government as well and all of them declaring a common EEZ. You also have Israel, Greece and Cyprus, Cyprus separated and half Occupied by Turkey and America having shown any kind of interest to that absolutely unacceptable fact of the occupation, condemned by the UN since 1973, nobody was sensitive for Cyprus as they used to be in other similar situations, Kuwait let's say. So the American policy will have managed to surround Israel and Cyprus with hostile governments controlled by Turkey and will have managed to surround Greece as well, because the same politics is followed in the Balkan area as well supporting friendly to Ankara governments, with the difference that the Balkan countries are not that strong from a military aspect yet and there is also Bulgaria that can keep a balance.

And the question is why, why is it of American interest to strengthen Turkey so much, why do they want to make some of their allies get along with the Turkish regime, because it is not a democracy it is a bloody regime, without any respect to any minority, without any respect to the 25 million Kurds living in the country, without any respect to anyone, you can smell their arrogance. Do they believe they are going to stay loyal to the US especially if they acquire so much influence? Why would the Americans support so much a country that has absolutely illegal territorial claims towards allied with America countries? What does America think about the Turkish Collaboration with China and Russia for building nuclear plants? What are they going to do when Turkey and Saudi Arabia ask for nuclear because of Iran?


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Sunni vs Shia ear for the ages [147 words]StasFeb 28, 2014 00:31213474
American "interests" [359 words]AEBAug 16, 2012 14:09197967
1view from Tehran [35 words]mythJun 28, 2012 11:07196791
3Sunni-base Jihadism at least as bad [51 words]
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DaveJun 28, 2012 07:03196783
Clarification on my posting [14 words]DaveJun 28, 2012 17:42196783
to intervene or not? when and why? [67 words]peter LegurJun 19, 2012 05:59196452
1Syria [50 words]Lujack SkylarkJun 18, 2012 23:49196444
1May the good inherit the world. [117 words]Jay1Jun 18, 2012 12:40196427
2Missing Element [94 words]Bureautopian ObserverJun 17, 2012 17:04196415
2US intervention in foreign atrocities [129 words]steveNJun 16, 2012 20:00196402
Iran's influence in the region [79 words]stanley bJun 16, 2012 20:00196401
3Syrian blood bath - Syrians killing Syrians [153 words]NuritGJun 15, 2012 00:18196367
The Missing Element [75 words]Barry BlackJun 14, 2012 22:34196363
Syria or another Rwanda [177 words]Farhad LahafdooziJun 14, 2012 22:18196362
Exactly the opposite. [397 words]SophiaJun 14, 2012 16:06196353
1Agreed [47 words]Alan RockerJun 14, 2012 09:49196342
3Damned if we do, damned if we don't. [89 words]
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NazimJun 13, 2012 17:48196320
Well [89 words]NazimJun 14, 2012 17:59196320
4The aid flotilla is on its way? [130 words]JeffJun 17, 2012 23:11196320
I have to agree with the Russians [173 words]AlexandrosJun 18, 2012 13:11196320
Russian Style Democracy in Syria? [218 words]M. ToveyJun 19, 2012 11:58196320
1You did n't actually reply anything though [452 words]AlexandrosJun 20, 2012 10:36196320
Democracy is Rule of Law Accepted by and Not Forced Upon the Governed [725 words]M. ToveyJun 21, 2012 14:37196320
Now we are talking [982 words]AlexandrosJun 22, 2012 04:34196320
Excellent commentary on Syrian debacle [61 words]Robert JanickiJun 13, 2012 15:29196317
1western public opinion and support [164 words]mythJun 14, 2012 06:48196317
Excellent point, Myth- Wars are waged on TV [195 words]saraJun 15, 2012 14:53196317
Adam Curtis' idea of the larger picture of Western intervention and media coverage [53 words]mythJun 17, 2012 00:55196317
2Inspiring Revolutionary Forces in Iran [60 words]John C. Drew, Ph.D.Jun 13, 2012 14:58196316
2The Change of Power [147 words]Arlinda DeAngelisJun 13, 2012 11:34196310
4Stay out of the Syrian Morass [118 words]Balarabe AbbaJun 13, 2012 11:30196308
4So well stated, you highlight the duplicity of the west [102 words]saraJun 13, 2012 17:04196308
This is not convincing, but it is insulting [32 words]DebbieJun 14, 2012 11:52196308
4No, not insulting, just trying to make people understand [329 words]saraJun 15, 2012 15:24196308
4too bad --if anyone is insulted [110 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJun 16, 2012 16:30196308
3Thank you for an edifying, focused analysis of this complex situation [67 words]
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Albert EdelsonJun 13, 2012 10:35196307
3You are right, protecting our interests means not having a dog in this fight [117 words]mhloutsidebeltwayJun 13, 2012 09:01196305
Rebel Guilt for Atrocities [56 words]
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Aymenn Jawad Al-TamimiJun 13, 2012 07:38196300
3Pursuing reality [82 words]John BJun 13, 2012 07:28196299
At last [13 words]Zenonas TziarrasJun 13, 2012 07:19196297
1Conditions in Syria [90 words]StasJun 13, 2012 03:49196290
1Exactly right [186 words]stanley bJun 12, 2012 22:36196281
Syrian casualties are unacceptable [69 words]
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stranchanJun 12, 2012 04:24196250
4Syrian casualties vs US interests [172 words]YosefJun 14, 2012 15:23196250
1You're right, Yosef [50 words]Kepha HorJun 30, 2012 01:27196250

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