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Democracy is Rule of Law Accepted by and Not Forced Upon the Governed

Reader comment on item: Stay out of the Syrian Morass
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Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), Jun 21, 2012 at 14:37

All I did in the first response is to get you to clarify your stance based upon your perceptions of what is happening, elaborating with the obvious posturing of the various participants, yet really opining with my more jaded view of what is believed to really be happening. Too many had said already that this perspective does not tally with theirs; but that OK. My validation will be in the outcome I have prepared for.

To start, it is my personal opinion that no form of democracy will totally work for any of the national identities in the Middle East-none. Some might work better in the interim –Israel being the best example based upon its ideas of personal freedom for the individual under a lawful setting- and Egypt being one of my worst version examples since the military will not allow for individual expression of freedom. Syrian tends to even more extremes as it pertains to curtailing liberties that will oppose the governing forces.

You allude to a perception of how you think 'shadow' influences are being exploited to promote an outcome favorable to say, America; and you might be correct in making that assertion-to a point. But if it were that simple, the complexities of what we are really seeing cannot be fully explained by saying that the Gülen movement is the sole basis or even a majority proximal cause for exerting influences to establish a certain outcome.

I do not support an American style of democracy in the Middle East and have indicated so before. The variety of the obvious reasons have been elaborated upon before, but the simple explanation that I would put forth is that under the 'rule of law' that is the basis for such governance requires consent of the governed, something we have yet to see anywhere in the Middle East, even under shari'a law, which requires compulsory observance-it's simply not compatible and those that think it is are just plain wrong.

I have not made the common mistake to say that Iran is the main protagonist in the Syrian conflict, though I understand how you would think I would make that assertion-Iran makes itself an easy target for doing so. Iran is and does put itself out there in its attempt to advance the cause of Islam and the Iranian leadership are not apologetic about it at all. Further, this is little secret to the knowledge that they do have proxies to advance their cause as well-but that's all they are-proxies.

That being said, let's get to your 'real question:' "why does the U.S. government want an Islamic reign in the Middle East…..?" I am in the minority of my opinion being contrasted with the typical American conservative point of view; and though I could use your phrase of many being misled, I would do so with the caveat that there are levels of diversions going on to prevent exposure of true motives leading to true outcomes. Proxies are being used by opponents of the Iranian influences as well and all of it is leading up to a show down.

I will not elaborate why, but Islamic influences are indeed at the root of much of what the United States involved with in the Middle East, so much so that it would not be hard for someone to reveal that the Egyptian uprising that was at the forefront of the 'Arab Uprising' that toppled all those secular autocracies like that of Mubarak and Ghaddafi and the others were part of a plan to align a Middle East for political purposes yet to be revealed. Notice that those which are still kingdoms are relatively in the margins for the moment, though their time might yet come.

And the final point to be made, that while one might assume mistakes were made by previous forms of the American presidency that dangerously tinkered with the Middle East in one way or another, the current Administration has a different agenda and the Islamic revolution has been colored differently than was previously characterized by previous administrations. The posture with the Russians would be then viewed in another light and the Task forces of each of these entities would be in a tactical posture of a different sort. It remains to be seen how situation plays out and if the issues will be resolved.

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Sunni vs Shia ear for the ages [147 words]StasFeb 28, 2014 00:31213474
American "interests" [359 words]AEBAug 16, 2012 14:09197967
1view from Tehran [35 words]mythJun 28, 2012 11:07196791
3Sunni-base Jihadism at least as bad [51 words]
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DaveJun 28, 2012 07:03196783
Clarification on my posting [14 words]DaveJun 28, 2012 17:42196783
to intervene or not? when and why? [67 words]peter LegurJun 19, 2012 05:59196452
1Syria [50 words]Lujack SkylarkJun 18, 2012 23:49196444
1May the good inherit the world. [117 words]Jay1Jun 18, 2012 12:40196427
2Missing Element [94 words]Bureautopian ObserverJun 17, 2012 17:04196415
2US intervention in foreign atrocities [129 words]steveNJun 16, 2012 20:00196402
Iran's influence in the region [79 words]stanley bJun 16, 2012 20:00196401
3Syrian blood bath - Syrians killing Syrians [153 words]NuritGJun 15, 2012 00:18196367
The Missing Element [75 words]Barry BlackJun 14, 2012 22:34196363
Syria or another Rwanda [177 words]Farhad LahafdooziJun 14, 2012 22:18196362
Exactly the opposite. [397 words]SophiaJun 14, 2012 16:06196353
1Agreed [47 words]Alan RockerJun 14, 2012 09:49196342
3Damned if we do, damned if we don't. [89 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
NazimJun 13, 2012 17:48196320
Well [89 words]NazimJun 14, 2012 17:59196320
4The aid flotilla is on its way? [130 words]JeffJun 17, 2012 23:11196320
I have to agree with the Russians [173 words]AlexandrosJun 18, 2012 13:11196320
Russian Style Democracy in Syria? [218 words]M. ToveyJun 19, 2012 11:58196320
1You did n't actually reply anything though [452 words]AlexandrosJun 20, 2012 10:36196320
Democracy is Rule of Law Accepted by and Not Forced Upon the Governed [725 words]M. ToveyJun 21, 2012 14:37196320
Now we are talking [982 words]AlexandrosJun 22, 2012 04:34196320
Excellent commentary on Syrian debacle [61 words]Robert JanickiJun 13, 2012 15:29196317
1western public opinion and support [164 words]mythJun 14, 2012 06:48196317
Excellent point, Myth- Wars are waged on TV [195 words]saraJun 15, 2012 14:53196317
Adam Curtis' idea of the larger picture of Western intervention and media coverage [53 words]mythJun 17, 2012 00:55196317
2Inspiring Revolutionary Forces in Iran [60 words]John C. Drew, Ph.D.Jun 13, 2012 14:58196316
2The Change of Power [147 words]Arlinda DeAngelisJun 13, 2012 11:34196310
4Stay out of the Syrian Morass [118 words]Balarabe AbbaJun 13, 2012 11:30196308
4So well stated, you highlight the duplicity of the west [102 words]saraJun 13, 2012 17:04196308
This is not convincing, but it is insulting [32 words]DebbieJun 14, 2012 11:52196308
4No, not insulting, just trying to make people understand [329 words]saraJun 15, 2012 15:24196308
4too bad --if anyone is insulted [110 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJun 16, 2012 16:30196308
3Thank you for an edifying, focused analysis of this complex situation [67 words]
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Albert EdelsonJun 13, 2012 10:35196307
3You are right, protecting our interests means not having a dog in this fight [117 words]mhloutsidebeltwayJun 13, 2012 09:01196305
Rebel Guilt for Atrocities [56 words]
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Aymenn Jawad Al-TamimiJun 13, 2012 07:38196300
3Pursuing reality [82 words]John BJun 13, 2012 07:28196299
At last [13 words]Zenonas TziarrasJun 13, 2012 07:19196297
1Conditions in Syria [90 words]StasJun 13, 2012 03:49196290
1Exactly right [186 words]stanley bJun 12, 2012 22:36196281
Syrian casualties are unacceptable [69 words]
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stranchanJun 12, 2012 04:24196250
4Syrian casualties vs US interests [172 words]YosefJun 14, 2012 15:23196250
1You're right, Yosef [50 words]Kepha HorJun 30, 2012 01:27196250

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