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in response to reader comment: Always a pleasure to hear from you "Ianus"!

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jan 21, 2009 at 17:29

Hi , kman !

Thanks a lot for your friendly comments. I must tell you that I was not sure for a long time about how I should answer you. In a time of open Moslem aggression against us kafirs , I find any divisions among us harmful and counterproductive. Too much is at stake to squabble about minor issues. Yet, after a while I decided to disclose my mind. It is my firm intention and hope though that what I say below has not impaired in any way deep respect and friendship I feel towards you, other Christians, Jews and all those on whose extermination Islam - the common enemy of mankind- is bent.

>I don't get much in the way of direct replies from the Muslims either.<

Their replies are useless. Their argumentative value is null and void. Their recurrent core point is "Moslems are right, kafirs are wrong" Full stop! I have learnt that stupid trick quickly and thoroughly enough. A Moslem will never ever admit he is wrong and you - a kafir - are or can be right. He/she identifies themselves so much with Islam that they fear thus they might admit Islam's inferiority to other ideas - an unthinkable nightmare for the Moslem's blind and restricted eyes. So we are doomed to see these stupid Moslems over and over again turn up and repeat the propaganda lies and illogial and irrational fairy tales, quotes from the quran, the invocations of Allah, the prophet ...etc.etc. etc. .... to cover the blotted ar... of Islam and its followers. And when pressed hard, they will withdraw silently without changing their views or admitting a defeat. The rebuke only strengthens their revegefullness and self-righteousness. A Moslem can't stand an open and fair contest. Without terror his is a lost cause.

> They reply, but I have to hunt those replies down.<

And aren't you disapointed ?

I myself have stopped being so. I just don't expect a rational reply from a Moslem. I get none and so I am not disapointed. Anyway, "a rational Moslem" is a contradiction in terms, an oxymoron, isn't it ?

> I used to be of your persuasion on the "god" front until the "only" God stepped in and laid an ambush. I was an atheist long and strong until I had one of those "experiences" that he set me up for.<

Actually, I am not an atheist. Logical positivism has influenced me too much. I simply find the sentences dealing with "God" nonsensical. I mean both positive and negative sentences. They may look like normal sentences, yet they aren't. They lack sense which is defined as "the way /possibility to verify a sentence". It turns out that ALL theological sentences are in principle unverifiable and so unacceptable. But the highly paradoxical thing is that the negatives of these statements are equally unverifiable and nonsensical. So atheists are as wrong as their adversaries. Both can't see the sad truth- they are answering a nonsensical question.

"God" surely has a meaning as meaning is a property of words. Unfortunately, meanings don't produce existence. I can imagine "Jehova", the proud god of tautology who says with a serious countenance "I am who I am". Yet, when I use this remarkable word "god" in a statement, the statement turns out to suffer from a serious deficiency - the lack of sense. What Moses told about his adventures with Jehova sounds fine, yet no one could, can or will ever be able to verify the validity of them. And unhappily enough, jumping on the wild horse of belief, faith, religiosity -as required by ALL theologicl statements- doesn't heal the deficiency at all. On the contrary , it only aggravates and perpetuates it.

>I was told to read his "Word". I did so with no outside involvement of the human kind. I was astonished to find the Bible (New Testament first) saying what it did. I waited for the first lie to jump out and grab me. God reached me for a year and a half.<

I have also read the Bible. It's useful to know the Hebrew mythology and the tricks the priestly Levite caste has used to distort the ancient history to justify their own power and break any resistance to its dominant position. In spite of all the pious priestly "improvements" and distortions, the Bible still contains a valuable material on the brutal struggles and conflicts within the Jewish community - the conflict between the Levite caste and the royal power at first , the conflict between the central power and the local centrifugal forces (vilified as "idolaters", Jehova's enemies ) , the struggles inside the priestly caste itself and the royal house ... Wherever I read "Jehova" ordered this or that , it was obvious to me that distorted semantics was involved and the cunning priests stood behind that. I read : "The priests ordered and carried through this or that slaughter or purge to consolidate their own power at the expense of their numerous enemies". And it clarified much.

You can't seriously demand that a critical reader accepts at its face value all the tales and overstretched explanations the Bible abounds with, can yo? It's a historical book like any other. I read it as such. Its self-proclaimed sanctity and infallibility should be rather a warning against its contents than its asset and an incentive to believe in it.

And generally speaking, it's a well known fact of human history that nowhere as many lies and as much deception and swindle has been produced as in the name and under the cloak of the Almighty and the Supernatural and their alleged demands and interests.

Personally , I found the Bible a mediocre book. It seemed to me in some parts funny, but on the whole akward, unauthentic and pretentious. It's structure is arbitrary, incomplete. As a work of literature I would give a verse from Homer or a chapter from Aristotle for all the so called "Scripture". By the way, it is in the Scripture that I found the most absurd statement that I have come across : "yet in his disease he (King Asa) sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians." (King 2; 16 -12) What a sinner ! He disdained Jehova's "panacea" as administered by his miracle doctors (the Levite caste and their rituals) and prefered to consult a doctor! ;)

>Jesus Christ was and still is the real thing. I can't say much for a lot of those who think they know him, but there are a great number who really do. Try a New Testament some time & note how little Jesus talks about the irrelevant customs and culture of his day.<

Sorry, dear friend, I have had the opposite impression. Jesus was a product of his Hebrew environment and eucation through and through. He never read a line of Homer or Aristotle but could quote whole passages of the prophets and stump the cleverest Levite! But what sort of universality was it , i I may ask? He disliked the pigs so much as to drive them mad off the cliffs. The story tells volumes, doesn't it ? The Jews were told by Moses pigs were impure. Jesus showed them Moses had been "right". Let him try this here!

> He's very strong on truth, integrity, and love of the real kind.<

I don't doubt his nobility and good intentions. I doubt what you call "truth". He knew how to tell good and captivating parables and enthrall his listeners with images from the current Hebre mythology. Yet, his philosophical views are of dubious quality. It's all too irrational, too arbitrary, too hasty. As Nietzsche remarked : He died too early. He had too little time to think his doctrine to the end and remove its inherent deficits. He was noble enugh to admit his mistakes. I am sure on the cross he saw he was wrong. That's why he shouted " Father, why hast thou forsaken me? ". I respect him for that sincerity.

> He displayed great power, too, for those who need a few pyrotechnics to get their attention. Bypass the "church" culture & give it an honest look of your own. The real believers eventually find the real clusters despite the legions of hypocrites and pretenders in all of the "churches".<

I my opinion, if he had been what he later claimed to be he might have easily foreseen what his teachings were going to lead to. If so, the bad effect betrays an imperfect master.

>I found the man/God to be everything he claimed to be but it requires an honest effort. If a person doen't want a truth that may point him inan uncomfortable direction then there are numerous ways to escape. The vast majority choose to escape, and will be shown their choice when humanity has taken its last lethal step.<

If I may be harsh, for a moment, Jesus' teachings and fidelity to them didn't save neither the Western nor the Eastern Roman Empires. They will not save anybody , if what is humanly and rationally necessary is not done with all vigour possible. Christianty produced too many theologians and monks and too few soldiers.

> I did the church thing as a youth because "mom" said it was the right thing. I took a look at all religions for awhile and then opted out. I thought it was all baloney for 13 years.

> Every human being bails on their own moral belief (religious or non-) eventually & that is where God has them by the throat. We all cheat on our own belief at some point.<

I think at the very bottom our beliefs are irrational. I remember reading Max Weber's very good passages on that. What is rational are the consequeces of our beliefs, their consistency with our deeds. If beliefs can be changed, it its on the basis of their consequences that this must be done. I reject Christianity because I see it leads to many negative consequences.

> It should be more than evident by now, that there is no system of government that will prevail when man takes it over. The U.S. was man's last great chance. It worked very well until man decided to take the helm of a government that was set up by deeply godly people. I don't call them perfect because there has only been one perfect human - the Christ. Those "godly" people knew who was in control, and as long as the people of the U.S. stayed with it, so did the nation. We lost it, though, as some are ignorantly fond of saying.<

The US has been founded on two contradictry principles. The religious ideas of the Puritans and the spirit of Enlightenment. I am afraid that the contradiction has never been overcome and to satisfy both the parties the best of the two principles had to be sacrificed for a bad compromise. The result is an America oscillating between the Medieval Religiosity and pseudo- "Enlightenment" allied to its very opposite - religious irrationalism.

> Islam won't be defeated by people who haven't enough of a base to die for their beliefs.<

Islam won't be defated as long as its inherent destructive forces are not turned against it. Moslems must exterminate Moslems first to facilitate our task. For the time being all is being done to consolidate and uphold the harmful and unnatural Moslem unity. Moslems are united not only in common war on the dangerous kafir. But they are united in common contempt against the servile and conciliatory kafir as well. They see the kafirs have lost their self-preservation instinct and their senses accomodating their own executioners.

> The Creator sent prophets who stated as much. "The door is narrow and few will walk through it." Islam will prevail for awhile. As the Revelation from John said, though, God will step in when man has demonstrated his total failure one last time.

As the Moslem murderers were storming the gates of the Hagia Sophia on 29.05.1453 the Christians inside were in blind faith repeating the same words as you do, dear friend. Yet, no sword of the Lord appeared to stop the beastly janissaries, no angel from the allegedly infinite hosts of Jehova stepped down to save the Grecian virgins, children and elderly. Until the present day God hasn't moved his finger to regain what was built to honour and praise Him - the most splendid Temple for the Christian God erected for a millenium... Strange fellow, this Hebrew god from Mount Sinai. When you can do without him, he imposes his rule upon you par force or par promesse. But when you need him most ... il reste introuvable (he remains hidden).

If we can't do things which are necessary to save us and our civilization from sure destruction at the hand of the Moslem beast and the Western traitorous politicians, then no Jehova, no Christ, no Heavely Father, no Mary will ever help us. It is what history teaches and it is very unwise and dangerous to disregard what dear Clio -the Muse of History - has to say.

>Sorry to get off topic, but it is the only valid topic that will hold against the evil that inevitably comes of wrong beliefs.<

Why off the topic? It pertains to it closely.

Plato thought the same as you and I agree totally with you, although I am prone to believe that religion can contribute unwittingly to "wrong beliefs" as well.

With most friendly regards,



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...My urge, Become Muslim, and lets share the bounties of Allah together [116 words]Ibn MasudJan 3, 2009 22:44146757
Ibn Masud,become a Muslim [36 words]InfidelJan 4, 2009 23:08146757
1"...My urge, Become Muslim, and lets share the bounties of Allah together..." My advice to you [568 words]IanusJan 5, 2009 08:51146757
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Ianus: Ibn Masud is doing his Islamic duty [41 words]PlatoJan 5, 2009 20:33146757
Become Muslim? [47 words]DennisJan 6, 2009 14:33146757
Ianus, Plato, Dennis: Don't make a mockery of a genuine offer. [59 words]Ibn MasudJan 7, 2009 00:59146757
1Killers urgently needed! Huris and swag guaranteed! For details contact Allah ! [166 words]IanusJan 7, 2009 16:00146757
Ibn Masud: Keep up the good work. Allah is waiting with open arms for you. [306 words]PlatoJan 7, 2009 21:01146757
Ibn Masud's "invitation to Islam" is a veiled prelude to violent jihad, according to sharia. [673 words]
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Doc TaterJan 8, 2009 12:30146757
Blame me , blame my dog ! [220 words]IanusJan 8, 2009 15:11146757
Nice try "Masud" (or is it "Masood"), take Jesus words of truth and use them to distort his complete teachings - [75 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 17:23146757
What about researching what you're being "invited" to? [925 words]jennifer solisJan 8, 2009 20:52146757
God (or in Arabic, Allah) still loves of all of you [146 words]TravisJan 9, 2009 04:24146757
"God (or in Arabic, Allah) still loves of all of you "... The vampyre (=Allah) loves me ?... Thanks, vampyre! I am not very fond of love of psychopaths! [677 words]IanusJan 10, 2009 12:42146757
Thanks Travis. Now if you could just sort out the "correct" God??? [9 words]kmanJan 10, 2009 18:43146757
I think, too, you would have to read "all" posts to make the accusation of all here "hating" ... [23 words]kmanJan 10, 2009 18:53146757
Ibn Masud's "invitation to Islam" is a veiled prelude to violent jihad, according to sharia. [549 words]IanusJan 12, 2009 15:16146757
Doc Tater and all of likes: Don't use scare tactics. [86 words]Ibn MasudJan 13, 2009 01:47146757
jennifer soils: Old Testament encourages killing an apostate. Did you ever condemn that? [102 words]Ibn MasudJan 13, 2009 02:03146757
All: The spread of Islam will be as fast as the Victory of Obama in USA [95 words]Ibn MasudJan 13, 2009 02:13146757
jennifer: tomorrow I will give Shahadaah to a women in South [105 words]Ibn MasudJan 13, 2009 17:43146757
and more fantasy [441 words]dhimmi no moreJan 13, 2009 19:26146757
Become muslims? [117 words]AngelJan 13, 2009 21:48146757
Become muslims? [52 words]AngelJan 13, 2009 22:04146757
A bit of hypocrisy you reveal, Ibn Masud. [272 words]jennifer solisJan 13, 2009 22:34146757
The Bible never rewards killing with Paradise, Ibn Masud (unlike the Qur'an) [205 words]jennifer solisJan 13, 2009 23:17146757
Ibn Masud, information requested [16 words]InfidelJan 14, 2009 00:54146757
Moslems of all countries, unite ! .... or ... Hussein Obama - the Mahdi pre-determined by Allah and identified by ibn Masud [471 words]IanusJan 14, 2009 08:19146757
To Ibn [110 words]BeemaJan 14, 2009 13:57146757
Would you care to give me the verse you say you quote from "my Old testament"? [124 words]kmanJan 14, 2009 19:41146757
More Islamic drivel [605 words]dhimmi no moreJan 15, 2009 07:39146757
1A Moslem wolf in sheep's clothing warns you, infidel sheep : "Don't use scare tactics" ! [430 words]IanusJan 15, 2009 17:00146757
He won't reply, kman, because he can't [90 words]jennifer solisJan 16, 2009 00:27146757
Hello, dhimmi no more [16 words]jennifer solisJan 16, 2009 00:35146757
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Our dear ibn masud is a lost tablighee [354 words]dhimmi no moreJan 16, 2009 07:14146757
Father Zakaria Botros and Islam [368 words]dhimmi no moreJan 17, 2009 08:07146757
Our dear Travis another tablighee [567 words]dhimmi no moreJan 17, 2009 08:33146757
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The bible says Kill [102 words]sTsJan 19, 2009 02:23146757
Thanks, dhimmi no more - Zakaria Botros IS interesting [214 words]jennifer solisJan 19, 2009 18:50146757
Violence in the Qur'an [528 words]dhimmi no moreJan 24, 2009 06:33146757
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"Keith", I get so confused trying to figure out the real Obama [254 words]kmanJan 2, 2009 02:32146630
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Applause to Dr. Brandstetter [271 words]DEBORAH THE JUDGE-(NEW HAMPSHIRE)Jan 2, 2009 01:17146578
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"president" Obama has already backpedled on most stances & will succeed in blaming previous admin for all his blunders ... [232 words]kmanJan 2, 2009 02:12146457
perseverance is the key to success [44 words]Keith WilliamsJan 4, 2009 22:24146457
Yes, "Keith", religion is just one great big omelette ... [184 words]kmanJan 5, 2009 23:42146457
1reply to kman's "religion is a big omelette" well, we must surrender in order to be able to sit at the table [302 words]Keith WilliamsJan 7, 2009 11:54146457
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glad to see that you realize that Mr. kman [80 words]Keith WilliamsJan 10, 2009 23:51146457
You can use the word "paraphrase all you want "Keith", it is plagiarism from Bible & only one of two beliefs of Islam. [53 words]kmanJan 11, 2009 20:50146457
Our dear keith and the false propeht who shall remain unnamed [275 words]dhimmi no moreJan 17, 2009 10:58146457
"Religion" [105 words]vigilantJan 17, 2009 22:42146457
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When you Challenge Allah!! [460 words]MansoorDec 31, 2008 07:56146422
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re when you challenge Allah [3436 words]TessJan 3, 2009 06:01146422
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5Alexander the great also Wept in Afghanistan, like Bush and like Breznev [221 words]Ibn MasudJan 5, 2009 00:17146422
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you are right mansoor! [256 words]mohammedJan 22, 2009 04:56146422
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"Masud" the lie is that Israel is the aggressor ... [24 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 17:35146383
Bush's record will definitely shine in comparison to Obama's. [128 words]M.D'SouzaDec 30, 2008 20:01146363
1Protection of Israel First is America's Best Choice to Keep a Promise Made by the President Elect. [639 words]M. ToveyDec 30, 2008 18:06146335
The truth will be revealed !! [104 words]sTsJan 4, 2009 15:12146335
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the truth about Al Mahdi [570 words]sTsJan 6, 2009 03:45146335
The Revelation and its Fulfillment of the Prophet Daniel Provides a Better Glimpse of the Return of Jesus Christ [89 words]M. ToveyJan 6, 2009 18:22146335
Accroding to your Bible Jesus never said in that he is God [35 words]sTsJan 8, 2009 10:14146335
LORD and FATHER [136 words]sTsJan 8, 2009 10:46146335
Who is Jesus the Messiah [67 words]sTsJan 8, 2009 11:18146335
The Gentiles are paving the road for the second coming of Jesus Christ [82 words]sTsJan 8, 2009 15:07146335
So, "sTs", how does "eating food" disqualify Jesus from his man/God nature ??? [108 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 17:16146335
Answer to "challenge" - "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30), also, read following verses ... [82 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 17:43146335
Nice job "sTs" of contradcting yourself. [82 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 17:50146335
The Witness is Established in the Holy Bible - Jesus Christ is the LORD - By the Prophecies - By His Own WORD [578 words]M. ToveyJan 8, 2009 19:45146335
The Gentiles are paving the way for Jesus second coming [250 words]sTsJan 9, 2009 05:21146335
You don't understand your bible [11 words]sTsJan 10, 2009 12:15146335
Well, according to your own Quran, "sTs", u should be practcing forgiveness instead of braging about cutting or throats. [48 words]kmanJan 10, 2009 19:01146335
The Word of the LORD Remains Intact in Spite of the Unbelief of Human Logic [82 words]M. ToveyJan 11, 2009 00:32146335
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It is Written in the Holy Bible [76 words]M. ToveyJan 11, 2009 01:27146335
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each prophet came as saviour to their people [250 words]sTsJan 13, 2009 00:29146335
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FAITH that someday there would be a savior [50 words]jennifer solisJan 14, 2009 23:18146335
NO excuse for not knowing [10 words]sTsJan 17, 2009 09:51146335
Clichés do NOT make things right [28 words]sTsJan 17, 2009 10:00146335
sTs - I respect your knowledge of your religion [569 words]jennifer solisJan 17, 2009 23:57146335
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The Holy Bible Does Not Speak in Cliche's [182 words]M. ToveyJan 20, 2009 11:10146335
a Prophecy being fullfilled [482 words]sTsJan 24, 2009 01:45146335
who was controlling the universe when Jesus was dead after crucifixion [81 words]sTsJan 25, 2009 03:58146335
Prophecy Not Controlled by Human Expectation, But by Fulfillment According to the Word of the LORD in the Holy Bible [426 words]M. ToveyJan 26, 2009 17:50146335
The Holy Bible Answers That - Almighty God the Father is Always in Control. [435 words]M. ToveyJan 26, 2009 18:14146335
THE Power of God is under-estimated [226 words]sTsJan 28, 2009 07:50146335
Jesus Christ [34 words]sajjad aliMar 19, 2009 17:21146335
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I appreciate D. Pipes "telling it like it is" very much. [142 words]kmanDec 30, 2008 15:34146315
Wailing Wisdom [1619 words]Mark HueyDec 30, 2008 14:19146311
you are wise [18 words]odewole opeyemiMay 21, 2009 14:58146311
Our Middle East Without Bush [195 words]Chuck MackDec 30, 2008 14:13146310
The world without Bush [89 words]AngelJan 13, 2009 22:09146310
understanding Obama [97 words]John W McGinleyDec 30, 2008 13:35146307
For Real? [146 words]ZentristJan 2, 2009 00:30146307
Origin of his make-up [168 words]DEBORAH THE JUDGE-(NEW HAMPSHIRE)Jan 2, 2009 13:06146307
Brilliant -- as usual. [183 words]TeacherNetDec 30, 2008 13:26146306
Waiting for the future [398 words]Rebecca MouldsDec 30, 2008 12:55146304
I don't see why anyone still has any "hope" in Obama containing radical Islam... [154 words]kmanDec 30, 2008 18:46146304
time will tell [100 words]Rebecca MouldsDec 31, 2008 20:40146304
What don't you understand about every word written by and out of Obama's own mouth? Campaign rhetoric? [174 words]kmanJan 2, 2009 03:00146304
Have you any solutions? [80 words]Rebecca MouldsJan 2, 2009 19:20146304
I don't have to "tear the man down" ... [83 words]kmanJan 4, 2009 20:00146304
Ne humanus crede [161 words]Rebecca MouldsJan 5, 2009 17:41146304
I think we are mostly of the same line of thought ... [238 words]kmanJan 5, 2009 23:06146304
Closing Guantanamo Bay [175 words]jennifer solisJan 18, 2009 02:12146304
I fear the problem is self-indulgence in the U.S. to the absolute detriment of self-awareness at all [61 words]kmanJan 20, 2009 18:19146304
Waiting the Irananian cargo [50 words]Francesco MangasciàDec 30, 2008 11:59146301
re Obama [243 words]Gabby (Australia)Dec 30, 2008 11:30146298
Can Obama see the light [210 words]IsaacDec 30, 2008 11:15146297
And how do you see O' as being any different than his involvement with Muslim terrorist cousin in kenya?? [86 words]kmanDec 30, 2008 18:54146297
Missing tidbit [122 words]moshe monesDec 30, 2008 11:06146295
The "world" just jumped joyously at Obama being elected as president here. [115 words]kmanDec 30, 2008 19:02146295
Re: Insight into Obama [917 words]Tess (Australia)Dec 30, 2008 09:47146281
Obama's political movement was born in the midst of the most corrupt state in our country... [79 words]kmanDec 30, 2008 19:11146281
The most anti-American country [469 words]IanusDec 30, 2008 09:21146279
re....The most anti-American country [51 words]OzTurkDec 30, 2008 17:48146279
In short, Turk = Islam, samo, samo. [6 words]kmanDec 30, 2008 19:15146279
talking without knowing [553 words]yasemin erkutDec 31, 2008 18:43146279
"The stalwart ally" nuking the US ... [284 words]IanusJan 1, 2009 06:49146279
Turkish lies taken for reality [154 words]IanusJan 1, 2009 07:06146279
"Talking without knowing" - A good title ... as long as you're the talker [1935 words]IanusJan 1, 2009 08:32146279
You keep using word "see", when clearly you don't ... [192 words]kmanJan 2, 2009 02:46146279
Re.. Ianus [150 words]OzTurkJan 2, 2009 05:52146279
Truly, it is the same rubber stamp with a modicum of Turkish variation ... [189 words]kmanJan 2, 2009 16:22146279
1"How sweet to be a Turk" ...Yes, but why does "Turk" mean in Oslamlica "barbarian" then ? [972 words]IanusJan 3, 2009 07:39146279
re...How sweet to be a Turk..Yes but why does "Turk" mean in Osmanlica "barbarian" then ? [326 words]OzTurkJan 4, 2009 03:02146279
Why not help some rabbits become cannibals ? [465 words]IanusJan 4, 2009 15:35146279
Yasemin: Be careful of Isreal [43 words]UnoJan 5, 2009 00:44146279
2"Turk" means in Osmanlica "barbarian". In many European languages it means the same. [1365 words]IanusJan 5, 2009 10:24146279
Thank God there is a Turkey State [443 words]AngelJan 13, 2009 23:03146279
Thank Allah there is a Turkey State [542 words]IanusJan 17, 2009 16:08146279
Only Dead Fish Go With the Stream [274 words]Prof. Paul EidelbergDec 30, 2008 08:47146275
As we say in America, "Hello, SOMEBODY!" [16 words]migdalahDec 30, 2008 17:10146275
The "American stream" itself is "dead". the fish will swim where his past has said he will ... [73 words]kmanJan 2, 2009 03:09146275
Kman: Quran teaches Compassion, Tolerance and Charity [138 words]Ibn MasudJan 7, 2009 19:22146275
I have read far more history than you could ever dream of ... [482 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 17:07146275
"Kill, rob and enslave the kafirs!" ...Yes, it's true ... but you know..."Quran teaches Compassion, Tolerance and Charity"! [602 words]IanusJan 9, 2009 15:50146275
Ibn Masud: Count the atrocities suffered by Muslims under Muslims [539 words]PlatoJan 9, 2009 22:06146275
Ianus, Ianus, quit referring them to Quran ... they're confused enough!! [23 words]kmanJan 10, 2009 19:14146275
The quran [128 words]IanusJan 12, 2009 14:32146275
I think it starts at birth ... [131 words]kmanJan 12, 2009 18:49146275
Why muslims do not say a word about Darfur case? [66 words]AngelJan 14, 2009 00:01146275
Children for Allah's jihad ... - Our humanistic culture hinders us to understand the Moslem psychopathy. [604 words]IanusJan 14, 2009 09:30146275
Greetings Ianus! [177 words]kmanJan 14, 2009 19:23146275
Islam is committing genocide all over the globe - wherever Islam rules [12 words]kmanJan 14, 2009 19:52146275
There are many ways to enter Islam but no legal way to exit it. [918 words]IanusJan 17, 2009 15:22146275
Always a pleasure to hear from you "Ianus"! [726 words]kmanJan 20, 2009 19:18146275
Contributing to wrong beliefs [2272 words]IanusJan 21, 2009 17:29146275
I take no offense at anything you say,"Ianus", mainly because I used just about all those words at one time, too. [728 words]kmanJan 21, 2009 22:38146275
A short reply to kman [400 words]IanusJan 24, 2009 12:14146275
Ianus and Kman, let us focus on shared issues please! [391 words]saraJan 25, 2009 19:41146275
I figured you were headed in this direction eventually, but thanks for listening ... [102 words]kmanJan 26, 2009 23:11146275
The real truth [27 words]MostafaNov 24, 2012 13:11146275
1The unreal truth or "It's safe to burn the hadiths! Mahometans only riot when Qurans are being burnt". [145 words]IanusNov 27, 2012 01:46146275
Are the following assumptions and thinking naive? [129 words]SinghaDec 30, 2008 05:28146251
I think trying to "talk" with Iran is only playing their delay game... [286 words]kmanDec 30, 2008 18:30146251
Pakistan and Israel [533 words]SinghaJan 9, 2009 09:47146251
You are very well informed ... [125 words]kmanJan 9, 2009 21:15146251

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