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Submitted by Pat (United States), Mar 28, 2006 at 14:16

Victory comes in many forms. Some see it as outliving your enemy.

Peace will not come anytime soon because none of Israel's adversaries will live very long if they make peace with Israel - witness Anwar Sadat. It was said that the fear of death made Yasser Arafat reject peace in 2000.

Israelis' willingness to fight under Likud was seen as bullying a weaker neighbor. Their subsequent desire for peace, with the election of Barak, was viewed as weakness.

Israel has no partner for peace, as the recent Hamas election has shown, and it will not be allowed to win a war, so its people should simply live well.

They shouldn't waste their energy getting their neighbors to accept them. It's clear that won't happen anytime soon. They are better off devoting their resources to protecting themselves from attack, with the withdrawal from Gaza and parts of the West Bank, and the building of the wall. It's a pragmatic decision to spend their time and energy looking after their own and let their neighbors wallow in their own self-created misery.
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First, win the war on public opinion, or at least equal the other sides efforts [37 words]Wallace BrandSep 10, 2016 22:38232536
Pipe(s) dream [44 words]
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Noble intentions, indeed, but.... [126 words]Arvind MadhavanApr 2, 2006 04:2442072
Spell it out Mr Pipes [46 words]
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Barry LApr 2, 2006 08:0342072
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Full of Contradictions [125 words]WiktorMar 31, 2006 08:2241953
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to zafire [116 words]garyMar 31, 2006 15:2241916
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Destruction [79 words]Daniel BackMar 30, 2006 17:4641904
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excellent essay Fern but that is horse not an SUV dialogue/ if we reverse the situation!!! [245 words]HARRAKMar 30, 2006 16:3941883
To Fern - Can you clarify? [129 words]PatMar 30, 2006 20:4741883
Dear Fern [141 words]Kenneth S. BesigMar 31, 2006 05:0241883
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ariMar 30, 2006 06:0741862
1False example and overgeneralization [117 words]EJMar 29, 2006 22:1641848
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what utter and complete nonsense [151 words]yuval brandstetter MDMar 30, 2006 16:4941838
Donald O [318 words]Bill HaleyMar 30, 2006 17:4141838
Donald O, Propaganda or History [379 words]InfidelMar 30, 2006 19:2741838
Lesson in history for Infidel [317 words]Bader SMar 31, 2006 17:5241838
RE: Bill [241 words]Donald OMar 31, 2006 20:2641838
re: yuval [298 words]Donald OMar 31, 2006 20:3841838
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Bader S is right again [156 words]InfidelApr 2, 2006 03:2241838
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a parallel between Israeli avoidance and American blindness [173 words]Carmen Waggoner, Ph.D.Mar 29, 2006 10:1141778
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Israel isn't fighting for acceptance. [62 words]Ido CarmiMar 29, 2006 09:0241775
RE: Israel isn't fighting for acceptance [165 words]JohnApr 2, 2006 17:3641775
You are absolutely right Mr.Daniel Pipes, but [70 words]Y.EliashivMar 29, 2006 08:5341774
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Dear Sir from Mumbai... [598 words]J.S.Mar 30, 2006 19:0141642
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RE: Followup question for Dr. Pipes [104 words]
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It seems the Israelis are not interested why the other side thinks the way it does [109 words]Mladen AndrijasevicMar 28, 2006 11:1941622
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"Israel Shuns Victory" [107 words]ShirleyAnn AddyMar 28, 2006 10:1141609
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We win! We win! [118 words]Donald OMar 29, 2006 21:0941600
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