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Educating poorly educated Turks one at a time and the Arabs destroyed classical civilizations

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Feb 5, 2013 at 08:44

Our dear Mozere whose Greek and Armenian and Syrian ancestors were brutalized by the Turkish barbarians and to add insult to injury he is now a follower of his masters the Arabs and who has no clue what is really rote v. critical thinking education right our dear Mozere the Turkish propagandist? oh and later on is this little chat I will give you an example from your Islamic sources about why does Islam ruin good brains

Greeks may have invented critical thinking

Ridiculous. let me fix the above sentence: The Greeks invented critical thinking

but they gave this up when Constantine made christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire,

Where is your evidence? and how come we have plenty of evidence that even in parts of the empire as in Alexnadria and in places like the "Alexandria Academy" Olympiodorous in 570CE was reading and writing commentaries on Plato and Aristotle? And guess what brought Greek learning in Egypt and Alexandria to an end?

Hint: Your masters the Arabs that invaded Egypt oh and this will be also part of our little chat

How come you did not know that?

as E Gibbon says a self interested act of a hypocritical despot.

Really" where does he say that? and does the reading and study of history start and end with Gibbon ya ayuha al-ghabi al-kabeer? you tell us

Do the modern Greeks restore critical thinking in Hellas, I do not know.

Hello: you told us that them bad Greeks use rote education and all I told you is that they must have borrowed it from your masters the Turks right?

For the readers:

It seems that Christians borrowed from the Arabs the masters of our dear Mozere as well as the Turks the following

1. The barbaric doctrine of holy war or jihad and this is why we have had the crusades

2. The concept of converting the idolators by force or killing them as was done by the Spanish that were themselves exposed to Islam and they killed or forced the native people of the Americas to convert to Christianity right our dear Mozere? But they learned it from the Muslims as there is no such doctrines in Christianity that is even close to the barbaric Q9:5 or ayat al-sayf

3. Even Christians in the Byzantine empire were involved for a period (thank the Gods) in iconoclasm and they learned it from the Arabs and the barbarian Turks

4. The Spanish in the Americas imposed the likes of the jizya on thier native victims and they learned it from the Arabs

5. And speaking of books and learning the Spanish went on an orgy of destruction of the literature of the native people of the Americas and guess how they learned it? Hint: they lived with Muslims in Spain and they learned that Omar Ibn al-Khatab or so we are told ordered Amr ibn al-As was to destroy the library of Alexandria and burn its books right our dear Mozere?

So you see all of this evil can be traced to the Arabs and the barbarian Turks

How come you did not know that?

The very word byzantine means a tortuous,labyranthine and scheming way of thinking.

Really? says who? You? you are and you must pardon me ignorant

The byzantines of constantinople were an arrogant bunch of elites(see Ibn Battudas travels there in 1340s)

ROTFL Battudas (sic) Turkish Arabic His name is Ibn Batuta and you know what? So they were arrogant! so what? your so called prophet was an Arabian warlord and caravan raider and child molester? So which is worse? Arrogance or being a child molester you tell us

they reckoned that Attican Greeks were rude peasants,indigenous anatolians,Syrians and Copts as heretical and they endevoured to turn them into Greek speaking Ortodox obedient subjects by violent means,

Our dear Mozere is worried about the Copts and the Syrians! Sobhanallah

But you know what? The Barbarian Turks subjected the Syrians that you seem to care about to a genocide where between 250,000 to 750,000 Syrians were killed in cold blood mr hypocrite

Hello: your reading of books of history is limited to reading Gibbon which is not a bad start but you need to read some recent historical work on the subject and indeed in the case of let us say the Copts there is every evidence that Copts appreciated Greek learning and Hellenism and that their theological differences with the Melkite Church were only theological differences that did not affect the average Copt so you need to do some reading and let me quote Berkey:

"doctorinal tensions between chalcedonians and monophysites did not imply an intractble hostility between greek speaking imperial chalcedonian christians on the one hand and coptic speaking monophysite egyptian christians on the other. several historians have persuasively argued that cultural overtones and political implications and theological divisions should be minimized that by the end of late antiquity there was in fact a close symbiosis and not an atavistic struggle between greek and coptic culture in egypt and that monophysite anger at the chalcedonian creed did not imply that egyptian christians were hostile to the empire."

More reading? You can read Foden's "Empire to Commonwealth" pages 100-137 and Bowersock's "Hellenism in late antiquity" if you can read books that is

So you see your knowledge is based on the bogus Islamic historical tradition and their poor historians oh and his name is Ibn Batuta!

change plus ca change c'est la meme chose,

What does this have to do with anything? Or do you want to impress yourself that you can write a sentence in French because I'm not impressed

they were ashamed to call themselves as hellenes as they were ashamed of the pagan connotations,instead they called themselves Romans (roumai).

So what if pagans in late antiquity were called Hellenes? what does this have to do with rote v. critical education?

In actual fact your so called prophet called the Greeks al-ruum and not al-yunaniyuun and not al-ighreek and why is that our dear Mozere any guesses? Hint: you have no clue right?

Edward Gibbon,the great Englishman of enlightenment,sent shock waves through Hannoverian England when he blamed the demise of the Roman Empire not on the barbarians at the gates ,not on the decadence,but squarely on christianity,

Hello: Gibbon was very wrong you need to read Pirennes and the recent study by Emmet Scott and that what brought classical civilizations to an end was not the barbarian invasions or Christianity but the Arab invasions and the rise of Islam and the imperialism of the Arabs and later on the Turkish barbarians

How come you did not know that?

which he claimed,

Claimed what?

Oh and I'm not done with you and stay tuned for part two

I pity your likes

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